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Everybody's seen the scenario where people roll on everything in the hopes of trading for something down the line. Often, they already have the loot or better. Meanwhile, somebody who needed the upgrade might get stiffed entirely because nothing else drops for them. And then the loot becomes vendor bait.

One elegant solution would be to make all LFR loot untradeable.

This also discourages guilds from conspiring to take all LFR loot to trade to each other.

People might still just click need on everything, but this will reduce the incentive for loot trading. And you can also make LFR loot worth no gold so that there is zero incentive to need it outside of pure griefing reasons.

No.

Translation: I lost a roll on content, quick to the forums to QQ about how unfair it is, but try to make it look like I am looking out for every one else, but all I really want is my content

People might still just click need on everything, but this will reduce the incentive for loot trading. And you can also make LFR loot worth no gold so that there is zero incentive to need it outside of pure griefing reasons.

No thanks. Typing delete over and over again is not my idea of fun.

One elegant solution would be to make all LFR loot untradeable.

This also discourages guilds from conspiring to take all LFR loot to trade to each other.

Again, no thanks. It would also hurt people. I was in LFR once on my alt druid and the Ledger dropped. A priest in the raid was desperate to have it as it was all that remained that she needed. After talking to her for a long time, I decided to trade it to her since my druid was just an alt. Under your proposal, she would be out of luck.

What people do with items they win is not anyone's business. The less you try to figure that out, the happier you'll be. If you want full control of where it all goes, you should form up a regular raid and make yourself Loot Master.

The problem is that random loot distribution sucks. Your chances never go up. In fact, your chances of winning anything useful at all go down each week you manage to win something, simply because there are fewer things for you to win. Once you're down to needing only a couple items, chances are that Mists of Pandaria will drop before you get them.

Loot trading is a way of slightly improving the chances. The problem is that people who win stuff to trade often don't give it away at the end of the raid if they can't trade it.

If you are going to roll for trade, do it right. Don't go making a lot of noise in raid chat.

First, and most importantly, watch the loot rolls and see who wins stuff you want. Check their gear to see if they actually need it. Tell them you need it and ask if they'd be willing to trade. If you don't have anything to trade yet, ask them what they would want. The Deathwing weapons are popular and come last.

When you win something to trade, if you can't trade it immediately, check if the second-highest roller can use it. WHISPER him and tell him that you'll give it to him at the end of the raid if you can't trade it. Tell him not to leave the raid early.

02/22/2012 11:07 AMPosted by Drun

Translation: I lost a roll on content, quick to the forums to QQ about how unfair it is, but try to make it look like I am looking out for every one else, but all I really want is my content

Actually, my first and only experience with this was when I got my Gurthalak a few weeks ago and someone was giving me grief about how I was Frost at the time and I should trade him for a piece of tier. Obviously I declined and went unholy.

But from what I've been hearing in the community, this is a big issue. It just seems so silly that the obvious fix hasn't been implemented.

Anybody who is so determined to get that upgrade that he is willing to kidnap vendor loot for ransom needs to have their head examined. And the game should not reward them for such bad play.

Personally, I will ignore all players who do this in the future.

you have a truly elegant solution: ignore all the players who handle loot in a manner that you consider objectionable. that solves your issue but wouldn't it be much better for the entire game to change to suit your whims >.<

Make loot untradeable and find out where the raiding population goes. I guarantee you that your quality of raiding will plumet.
We are already seeing a decline in the numbers of real raiders in LFR. They currently go in mostly to gear up an offspec or to help a friend out. Remove trading and they have less reason to carry you. Anyone who has actually spent time raiding knows that there are weeks sometimes months where you dont get an upgrade. Quit crying over a piece of lost loot. LFR was made so that people could see the content. Well guess what, part of seeing the content is not getting gear. Ive had spurts where i ran BH for 3 months and didnt get a single piece of gear. What you have to realize is that this is how it works for endgame content. Why? Simply put its to keep you coming back. Yeah it sucks losing a roll to someone that already has it but can you guarantee that they wont put it to use? no you cant.

Now I remember when LFR first came out the intent of it was for LFR to allow for more people to see end game content which it has done and I think that is awesome. But since people are now clearing this with no issue but don't have the time to do Normal/Heroic it is just a continue complaining about how they dont get loot etc.

Also when you combined 10 n 25 man lock outs it was cause you felt that players were needing to do both to progress better and such. But then you add LFR into the mix and it is causing the same thing for every patch that comes out to get the tier pieces to get your 2 and 4 set quicker as they are usually better then the previous tier even with a stat loss in gear.

Suggestion:

Turn LFR into what LFR was first meant to be. By doing this you are going to have I'm sure a lot of unhappy people but it should be easily explained that LFR is turning out to be what it was meant to not be. Explain how completing LFR earns you VP's which you can purchase gear through the vendors and that is the reward of doing LFR...

Now in regards to what LFR does drop. You guys came up with this wonderful thing which is called Transmogging... So why not just have LFR the way it is and for it to drop Epic Gear that drops in Normal DS(Whatever the currently raid is) but have the gear have 0 stats on it. This would still allow for people to see the content which was the plan in the first place, people to still get the gear that looks cool, and also get the new ilvl gear that is current from farming it to get Valor Points.

You could even make the tier pieces have set bonuses. Make them entertaining. Like make a 2piece give you a port to "The New Cool Place(in DS case it would be to the front of the entrance)" and then make the 4piece transform you into a "Creature" for 5 minutes on a 1 hour CD. Just make it novality items that go along with the look of the gear for transmogging.



I'm not sure if others agree but it seems like for the blizzard employees atleast that the LFR system as nice as it has been and helpful to the people that appreciate the chance of getting loot they normally couldn't is simply turning into more of a hassle on the forums then anything. Just look at the D&D forums. 80% of it is about how LFR was unfair, or they got cheated on gear, or something along the lines of what LFR was not meant to be.

Hope to get a response back.

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The only other option they can have and do would be to just take Trinkets, Weapons, and Tier pieces out of LFR. This will make it so that guilds that do normal/heroic wouldn't have to run the place because they won't be obligated to get there new 2&4 sets that are most likely better then the previous tier.

Then just make an LFR Tier that can be bought with VP which in turn are the previous tiers gear but a lower ilvl then the previous tier was on normal. Soo it would be something along the lines for this tier of

LFR DS, no tier, trinkets, weapons drop. All other pieces you are able to get.

VP Vendor would have Tier Helm, Shoulders, Chest, Legs, and Hands for Firelands gear but instead of being ilvl 378 they would be Ilvl 372 or something. So they won't be AS good as the normal FL(which most people that are doing LFR should be able to clear most of the previous tier aka FL's in this case due to the amount that Blizz Nerfs stuff).

Now with this set up the guilds that have cleared 7/7r or better won't have the need to go into LFR if they don't wish to because the gear they have will be most likely better. And then the people that didn't have or get the chance to get that gear can go into LFR, be able to see the content for the new stuff and at the same time get the gear from the previous content that they did on LFR last patch.

Wait, you get stuff from BH?

I took my main through LFR, I received absolutley nothing, 2 weeks now and nothing because too many people are rolling on stuff they already have or rolling for OS gear which they should not be allowed to roll need on unless they come into the raid as that spec! I even had one person admit he was rolling need on everything because he was broke!!!!

I saw one person roll on a tier chest he already had, he was hoping he could trade with someone to get the tier head if it dropped and it did, but that person didn't want to trade, so he decided to wipe the raid. I could of used that chest and I wasn't the only one, he then left with the Tier chest laughing and not giving it to anyone.

I want my main to get geared up, how will this even happen when so many people are abusing the system, this is not how it was meant to work!!!!

BLIZZARD Please Fix This, this is not fun anymore.............its depressing :( i'm starting to have better fun at work!!!! and WOW was a place to come to and relax and enjoy, sadly it hasn't been like that and I really don't want to go back to Rift.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4081811855
stop clogging the forums

Shouldn't it be... "Place your LFR QQ's here" something along those lines... We just need to face the facts, the people that think being in a raiding guild require 3-4-5 days a week are wrong. Being skilled to be in a guild that is semi successful though is something you do need.

Sadly most of the people that complain about LFR probably play all the time but have very little skill to get into a raiding guild even a super casual one that is maybe 5/8r or something at this moment. But then again they would QQ then about how it takes WORK to kill bosses and not just get carried.

02/22/2012 11:12 AMPosted by Taree

No thanks. Typing delete over and over again is not my idea of fun.

I don't get this post.

So...you're rolling on loot in LFR and just vendoring it, and an attempt to block that is not fun to you?

The elegant solution would be playing because you enjoy the game, not because you like loot.

That's crazy! People play this game to have fun. Oh wait yeah people do, it's called people that are in guilds enjoying there time with people that they play with each week together and work for a goal.

But the ones that are QQing are the one thats do LFR w/ random people and expect to be treated right and fairly in regards to loot. HA!

Thats why you join a guild

Actually, my first and only experience with this was when I got my Gurthalak a few weeks ago and someone was giving me grief about how I was Frost at the time and I should trade him for a piece of tier. Obviously I declined and went unholy.

See

That's where your first problem occured..

You shouldn't give a !@#$ what people think you should do with gear. Once that gear is in your bags it's yours to do as you please.

BTW i like that my guilds arms warrior needed on LFR Gurthalak so he could transmog his normal one because the LFR matched his gear better.

MY guild might not be the best guild in the world, BUT we're very fashionable.

02/22/2012 01:36 PMPosted by Barfus

BTW i like that my guilds arms warrior needed on LFR Gurthalak so he could transmog his normal one because the LFR matched his gear better.

You needed on an item for transmog? Wow, your guildie is a bastard.

I like him.

" WOOPS accidental needed and win all the loot from last boss. Can't trade them to people who actually need them even if I wanted to..." atleast you have chicken right?

i've been raiding ds with my guild for 12 WEEKS now and running lfr as well. i haven't gotten a maw of the dragonlord yet. it's totally UNFAIR. when is blizzard going to REWARD my EFFORT and make it so i get a maw?? there is NO reason i should run a raid TWO DOZEN times and not get a bis weapon out of it. it's completely RIDICULOUS that i don't have all the loot i want at this point. WAAAAAAAAAAA!!

am i doing it right? should i add a *stamping my little feet like a spoiled baby* emote to get the full effect?