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We raid 10 man DS, we run a disc priest, holy pally and resto shammy. After every time we raid I'm getting that my disc priest thinks he's carrying the other heals, more so the shammy.
While my disc priest is a great healer and may be better at playing his class than the others I do feel that this isn't fair, and that the way recount is showing his healing is putting thoughts in his head.
I run recount, skada and logs; recount shows him healing 25k (heals plus absorbs), which is more than the others, yet skada and logs has him healing the least (14kish).His healing+absorbs on recount put him well at the top, but when i look at it using skada and WoL, he'd be at the bottom (which he doesn't see cuz all he runs is recount and he never looks at WoL).
Am I wrong for thinking that is normal? If not how do I better explain it to him? I'm really not familiar with shammy/priest heals, i've done druid and pally myself >.<
Here is our World of logs link, but just ignore raids on Tuesdays- thats alt day, our core group raids wed/thur http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/155715/

Correct me if i'm wrong but I figured that is what it should look like when comparing them all

Consider yourself corrected then.

Would you compare the DPS of a Mage and a Warrior by removing the Warrior's auto-attacks, so you were just comparing the actual skills used?

Correct me if i'm wrong but I figured that is what it should look like when comparing them all.

No, absorbs must be included for an accurate representation. Absorbs are the same as healing in that they negate damage. They are inferior in that they don't actually replenish health, and superior in that they can increase effective health past the target's max health.

They should be included.

I'm not sure if this is normal DS, but if it is, stop 3 healing it.

I suppose i should have worded that better; I mean to say that what recount is showing vs skada and logs has him at.

02/22/2012 01:44 PMPosted by Trystie

I'm not sure if this is normal DS, but if it is, stop 3 healing it.

WoL numbers are much more accurate than what Recount and Skada will show.

Yes, absorptions count as healing done. Not taking them into consideration is silly.

And stop 3-healing normal mode.

02/22/2012 01:46 PMPosted by Xiro

I suppose i should have worded that better; I mean to say that what recount is showing vs skada and logs has him at.

No, we get exactly what you're saying. You're trying to discount absorbs, which are a large chunk of how Disc heals. That's like comparing a caster's damage to a melee's damage while removing white damage.

No yes, absorbs are awesome but they do effectively prevent heals from other healers. if the dmg doesnt happen then the shammy doesnt have to heal it, or if less dmg happens then he doesnt have to heal so hard.

But while ur trolling and tryin to start an argument, I do very much mean that recount is painting a very very diff picture than what skada and logs do.

well we're three healing it, atm and we've cleared it and doing heroic modes until i can talk one of the heals into going dps- just the way it is atm.

I'm looking at your logs. Your disc priest is neither particularly better nor especially worse than your other healers, and either your Recount is bugged or you're looking at the HPS screen instead of Healing Done.

Yes, absorbs should be included in the total healing count. WoL does this. WoL is the benchmark against which any addon-based meter should be compared. Absorbs are not the reason why you're seeing a discrepancy, except in that they can inflate reported HPS if you cast a bunch of absorbs in a low-damage phase and then stand around doing nothing and watch the Recount HPS meter spike when the damage hits.

This has no impact on Healing Done as reported by Recount or any other meter.

You should absolutely factor in absorbs with healing for Disc, just like you factor in absorbs with H Pally, and HS totem with R Shammy.

However, you should also take your Disc down a peg by reminding him that bubbles prevent the other healers from healing, so it makes their hps look lower and his higher. If he has a 30k shield on the tank when he's at full health and the tank gets hit for 25k, it doesn't matter if the other healers had multiple HoTs rolling AND hit him with a big heal right then cuz the priest just absorbed all the dmg and the tank is still at full health. Nothing to heal equals zero hps and all overhealing.

Basically your Disc is good at playing his spec properly, and the other healers are probably equally as good and aren't being carried. It's just the nature of the beast that is Disc shields.

I'm looking at your logs. Your disc priest is neither particularly better nor especially worse than your other healers, and either your Recount is bugged or you're looking at the HPS screen instead of Healing Done.

Yes, absorbs should be included in the total healing count. WoL does this. WoL is the benchmark against which any addon-based meter should be compared. Absorbs are not the reason why you're seeing a discrepancy, except in that they can inflate reported HPS if you cast a bunch of absorbs in a low-damage phase and then stand around doing nothing and watch the Recount HPS meter spike when the damage hits.

This has no impact on Healing Done as reported by Recount or any other meter.

Thank you for answering and actually lookin at the data I was trying to present! I didn't think the priest had any real ground to stand on with his complaints, and was trying to see if anyone agree'd by using actual data .

You should absolutely factor in absorbs with healing for Disc, just like you factor in absorbs with H Pally, and HS totem with R Shammy.

However, you should also take your Disc down a peg by reminding him that bubbles prevent the other healers from healing, so it makes their hps look lower and his higher. If he has a 30k shield on the tank when he's at full health and the tank gets hit for 25k, it doesn't matter if the other healers had multiple HoTs rolling AND hit him with a big heal right then cuz the priest just absorbed all the dmg and the tank is still at full health. Nothing to heal equals zero hps and all overhealing.

Basically your Disc is good at playing his spec properly, and the other healers are probably equally as good and aren't being carried. It's just the nature of the beast that is Disc shields.

Thats what i've been wondering, ty.

Tell him to go up against me.

02/22/2012 02:02 PMPosted by Sensations

Tell him to go up against me.

LOL yea, looks like you'd smoke him.

Note that some things are not factored in, even considering absorbs:
* Inspiration (10% damage reduction buff provided by shaman and priest heals)
* Pain Suppression, Hand of Sacrifice, and similar effects

So your disc might be effectively doing even more healing than the A+H meter shows.

In other news - I updated Skada last week and Absorbs+Healing disappeared - what's going on?

Note that some things are not factored in, even considering absorbs:
* Inspiration (10% damage reduction buff provided by shaman and priest heals)
* Pain Suppression, Hand of Sacrifice, and similar effects

In a group with a shaman, Inspiration has minimal uptime. Our proc rate is vastly inferior to shamans' because only direct heals proc it. For instance, in my last Blackhorn log, I have 14% Inspiration uptime on our pally tank, whereas our shaman has 51% uptime on Ancestral Fortitude.

But actually, looking at the logs, that's sort of irrelevant anyway because the disc priest in question isn't even specced for Inspiration.

Over the course of the whole night, he cast Pain Suppression 3 times. It looks like he used Barrier 4 times. So that's something...if they were good times, he may even have had an impact on the outcomes of the fights. But it's hardly "carrying."

02/22/2012 05:01 PMPosted by Lusignan

In other news - I updated Skada last week and Absorbs+Healing disappeared - what's going on?

The Healing category (which was healing excluding absorbs) has been removed and Absorbs and Healing category has been renamed Healing.

Or if you want it this way, Absorbs and Healing has been removed and absorbs have been added as healing done to the Healing category.

Either way, if you want them separated again, there is a separate module you can download for that.

WOL is much more accurate than Recount, and if he thinks he's the shizznit because of his recount while WOL has him even with the others, tell him he's an idiot and link the WOL.