Topic Remove OP PvE Gear From PvP
Orosion
Tichondrius
Orosion
85 Dwarf Hunter
2925
Edited by Orosion on 2/22/12 10:30 PM (PST)
Remove the Legendary Tarecgosa staff and Cunning the Cruel from PvP. In RBG DoT comps, it is MUCH too overpowered as of now. The staff replicates most DoTs that the casters cast, and then that results in double the Cunning the Cruel AoE procs from each caster, which then essentially results in a constant barrage of AoE shadowbolts damaging everyone ON TOP of the DoTs that are already on everyone.

This is in no way fair. Dot Cleaves don't even have to CC anything anymore. It's insanity. This is essentially rewarding PvE players for their PvE progression in PvP.

If you're 2700 rated in PvP, you don't have an advantage in PvE, so why should a PvE heroic-clearing person have an advantage in PvP?


At this point, in order to be competitive in the top bracket of RBGs, you HAVE to do PvE.
Haplizard
Darkspear
Haplizard
85 Dwarf Mage
1295
Ok, let me get right on that.
Cutabove
Mannoroth
Cutabove
85 Human Rogue
6955
I still use Vial of Shadows.

Why? The proc is nice pressure, and 458 Agility is nice too.
Warmage
Shadowsong
Warmage
85 Human Warrior
9045
Working as intended (I'm getting tired of saying this even though I'm being sarcastic and playing off Blizzards consistent inept behavior to balance an area of the game that was once a shining bastion that they could be proud of but now stinks of decay and neglect).
Orosion
Tichondrius
Orosion
85 Dwarf Hunter
2925
I still use Vial of Shadows.

Why? The proc is nice pressure, and 458 Agility is nice too.


Vial of Shadows is nowhere near as OP as Cunning the Cruel + Legendary staff in a DoT cleave now.
Bretherezen
Nesingwary
Bretherezen
85 Tauren Hunter
4320
I still use Vial of Shadows.

Why? The proc is nice pressure, and 458 Agility is nice too.


Vial of Shadows is nowhere near as OP as Cunning the Cruel + Legendary staff in a DoT cleave now.


True.

However, there is no way to tell a player that they cannot use so-and-so item in so-and-so environment. It is just not possible to restrict a Legendary quality item from an Arena just because the proc makes it the most insane item to have in the game.
Orosion
Tichondrius
Orosion
85 Dwarf Hunter
2925


Vial of Shadows is nowhere near as OP as Cunning the Cruel + Legendary staff in a DoT cleave now.


True.

However, there is no way to tell a player that they cannot use so-and-so item in so-and-so environment. It is just not possible to restrict a Legendary quality item from an Arena just because the proc makes it the most insane item to have in the game.



Why not? It's just a few items every expansion that seem to skew balance up horribly. It can't be IMPOSSIBLE for Blizzard to code something like this into the game.
Cutabove
Mannoroth
Cutabove
85 Human Rogue
6955
Writing code for individual pieces of loot is not cost effective in the slightest.

Banning ALL PvE items from PvP areas would completely gut low level BGs.

It'd be a battle of naked teams until lvl 60.
Orosion
Tichondrius
Orosion
85 Dwarf Hunter
2925
02/22/2012 10:40 PMPosted by Cutabove
Writing code for individual pieces of loot is not cost effective in the slightest.


To be honest, as long as it isn't impossible and/or a terrible timesink for Blizzard, I don't see why it couldn't be done. Just remove the items from Rated Battlegrounds. They're fine in arena, but just remove them from RBGs where you can stack 7+ casters.
Mights
Kil'jaeden
Mights
85 Draenei Paladin
3460
Edited by Mights on 2/22/12 10:44 PM (PST)
Writing code for individual pieces of loot is not cost effective in the slightest.

Banning ALL PvE items from PvP areas would completely gut low level BGs.

It'd be a battle of naked teams until lvl 60.


So disallowing *5* items (cunning, legendary staff, both legendary daggers, and vial) would not be "cost effective?" They know how to disallow certain items in different parts of the game, and since Arenas are specific instances, it would not be difficult to do so.

Yeah, it would definitely not be cost effective to repair a MAJOR flaw in one of the most important aspects of the game. Hmmm...

02/22/2012 10:42 PMPosted by Orosion
Writing code for individual pieces of loot is not cost effective in the slightest.


To be honest, as long as it isn't impossible and/or a terrible timesink for Blizzard, I don't see why it couldn't be done. Just remove the items from Rated Battlegrounds. They're fine in arena, but just remove them from RBGs where you can stack 7+ casters.


What? they are not fine in arenas.
Chaoseffect
Burning Blade
Chaoseffect
85 Undead Rogue
8095
If it's about skill why not just make all gear standardized for all players upon entering arena?
Quickfix
Nagrand
Quickfix
85 Human Priest
4180
Hi, PvE here, happy to remove all PvE equipment from PvP environments if every item of PvP gear gets forever banished from PvE dungeons and raids.

Win/Win, right?
Chaoseffect
Burning Blade
Chaoseffect
85 Undead Rogue
8095
Hi, PvE here, happy to remove all PvE equipment from PvP environments if every item of PvP gear gets forever banished from PvE dungeons and raids.

Win/Win, right?


Show me people using PvP trinkets in heroic DS and you'll have a valid point.


That's impossible because the PVP geared person would have held back the group so much that they never would reach heroics.
Weran
Ursin
Weran
85 Worgen Rogue
5940
Why dont they just make it so any item with a proc ability (aside from pvp trinket) cannot proc from damaging players.
Awkward
Frostmourne
Awkward
85 Dwarf Warlock
12395
Hi, PvE here, happy to remove all PvE equipment from PvP environments if every item of PvP gear gets forever banished from PvE dungeons and raids.

Win/Win, right?


The NAO tournaments do this. There are strict rules on gear that can and cannot be used, so teams can't cheese their way with OP gear.

Not sure if official tournaments do it though.
Serrias
Kel'Thuzad
Serrias
85 Draenei Death Knight
6710
Hi, PvE here, happy to remove all PvE equipment from PvP environments if every item of PvP gear gets forever banished from PvE dungeons and raids.

Win/Win, right?


Show me people using PvP trinkets in heroic DS and you'll have a valid point.

We had a Ret pally who was CONVINCED that his Cataclysmic PvP trinkets were better than Heroic DS trinkets.

He's not in our guild any longer.
Ironicirony
Stormreaver
Ironicirony
85 Human Warrior
1835
Writing code for individual pieces of loot is not cost effective in the slightest.

Banning ALL PvE items from PvP areas would completely gut low level BGs.

It'd be a battle of naked teams until lvl 60.


"If the word "gladiator" is not in an item's name, it cannot be used in max-level BGs."

Boom.

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