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Shaman spirit question?
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I'm not extremely used to healing on my shaman, but I was wondering how much spirit I should strive for? Should I replace one of my trinkets with the foul gift?
To be honest I rarely raid outside of LFR on this character, I just feel like I might have too much spirit... but I also really like spirit. Also on a related note, how viable is it to stack spirit for the sake of mana tide totem? Is it worth it? Right now my mana tide grants 8402 spirit. |
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There is no perfect amount of Spirit to have. You benefit from Spirit on some fights more than others. For example, Zon'ozz and Hagara both have phases where they take increased damage. You can take advantage of Telluric Currents on these fights to greatly increase your mana regen, and lower your need for Spirit. You should always be adapting. That said, in normal modes and some of the earlier Heroics you really don't need a high amount of Spirit. Just play around with it until you feel like you'er in a comfortable spot.
Also, yes. Replace your Tsunami Card with Foul Gifts. Be sure to do this before dropping any Spirit, and see where you're at. You'll definitely lose some regen by getting rid of your Tsunami Card. |
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you dont need more than 17% spirit for hit, resto shaman generates mana from lightening bolts, not from mana tide .
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hahahaha oh you're serious... No. @OP: whatever you're comfortable with. I'm usually steady with 2600 spirit and Telluric Currents, and I'd reforge out of that even more if I could get a hold of a HoU. Some run with more, some with less. |
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It depends on whether or not you actually take advantage of Telluric Currents and your personal comfort zone. Yor'sahj, Zon'ozz, Hagara, and Madness all have long periods of time where there is low damage and/or the boss is taking extra damage where TL really helps.
However, I wouldn't advise reforging down below 2K baseline spirit even as a TL build since your spirit also benefits the raid in the form of Mana Tide Totem. |
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It was also suggested above that you want to at least hit the 2k spirit mark. This is 100% true. The biggest thing is you want to feel COMFORTABLE - if you are running out of mana too often, you either need more spirit, or you need to look at how you're using your skills - or both. Don't ever think you 'have' to use Telluric Currents. It's not required, and there are several people that operate without it. It's all based on your playstyle. |
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Depends on if you're used to playing a different healing class with quality gear. Shaman mana management is pathetically awful compared to the other 3. Like night and day bad.
TC is great if the fight has distinct phases where you can spend it not healing but I haven't found that window of opportunity on some specific fights without feeling like I'm getting carried by the other 2 healers. One example is heroic zonozz; I absolutely hate that fight on my shaman. Any time I would want to dps, I'm basically ignoring some aspect of the fight that I would otherwise be healing significantly (not just limping weak heals.) The biggest downside is if there isn't a fight with a damage boost phase, you really have to pay attention to your mana as a shaman whereas you can mostly carelessly spam it away as any other class. My shaman is about i400 ilvl and doesn't have HoU and I run at about 3k-3300 spirit for heroic spine/madness (which are the only encounters I care about using him on really as they are the reason I rolled one.) I've been as high as 3800 just to see what the fuss was about. Either way, mana issues are always a problem regardless of gear and you'll have to figure out playstyle choices for each fight to keep you gasping for air above the water and not run oom. Personally I can't fathom how people run real low spirit without HoU. |
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Hmmmmmm I see, I should probably think about reforging out of a lot of spirit then. I've never really had mana problems on this character, but I'm used to a disc priest and the amazing mana regen they have.
Thanks for the input everyone! :) |
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As long as I pay attention I don't usually have mana problems.
There are places in most of the fights where I can lightning bolt to regain some mana. For example, I usually take advantage of the first few seconds of the cataclysm cast on madness to lightning bolt and get some free mana from the damage buff. Spine is the only one where I really have consistent problems and intelligent use of mana tide usually takes care of that. |
Mana Tide is not a self CD. |
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If you are doing LFR only, go for 0, i mean 0 spirit, full haste +crit and Telluric currents.
In LFR haste +crit will work waay beter then mastery+spirit or mastery+haste, as with HR 24/7 and a couple CH you will be healing almost every time the dmg is dealt. As for normal raids (aka not LFR) a little more spirit is advisable, and crit is not going to work. Stick to 2-3K spirit +haste or 2-3k spirit +mastery, in both choices 916 haste is a MUST. For the ELW proc |
just "wow" yes mana tide helps your raid a ton but it also helps you. if you dont have mana problems yes drop it for everyone else. If you are good shaman you will drop it when you are at about 70% (yes take a look at your fellow raiders... i bet they can use it too) so you can drop it 1-3 more times depending on the fight and not have to worry about your mana or using TC. Also it is great with both the 2 and 4 set we have. They all work great together to help us keep our mana up so we dont have to use TC so often. lol oh man if you a depending on TC for all your mana you have to many healers and are not spending enough time healing. I use TC on fights where there is that dmg component and there is no or little damage going out. That being said it is a minor tool in my arsenal and there just in case i need it. I have been thinking about specing out of it. I tend to think that maybe blizz will get rid of it come the next xpac. We will see. |
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Edited by Mistiya on 2/20/12 4:00 PM (PST)
2k spirit will get you through everything short of heroic modes. For heroics I run 3k spirit because I can't rely on TC in a crunch phase.
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TC is crap most of the time .... except in raiding with a boss that has amplified damage phases.
You simply can't do enough damage with lightning bolt in Resto for the mana gain to be worth the points you spend on it. |
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BTW ... at 4k+ spirit, I still OOM around last 2 phases of every boss in raids. Not sure why ... other heals are druid and holy priest. I OOM every time and still rank lowest in heals done. It feels like I work my !@# off constantly and perform the worst.
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My shaman (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/DATH%27REMAR/ZZAR/advanced).
I always feel like I could use more Spirit (to spam Riptide -> GHW -> GHW combos more), and to buff the other healers' regen on progression. |
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Sorry, you have to. Blizzard kind of left you without an option. Go OOM or take TC. |
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I have no mana issues during our 10mans... And I'm not specced into TC or FI... wasted points imo. We have a resto druid and HPaly for our group and me and the resto druid do top heals and are about equal in healing. I sit at 2.6k spirit and feel I could use even less if need be. If you focus on having Int and Mastery with your haste soft capped at 916 hr then you should be good. I'm down to a whole 1 Int/Spirit gem and no spirit enchants and me and our druid try to run out of mana. Not sure if it's our raid make up, or what but the whole run we solo tank except for Ultraxion and Warmaster. Hell some of the time we have our druid go dps and me and the paly 2 heal it for a faster clear. Just have to find what works for you. But really the only time I ever OOM is when the Mana Void drops during Yor'sahj. And I have only done Heroic Morchok, but we plan to do Hagara and Ultraxion once some of our raid group returns from vacation.
http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/us/Doomhammer/syrion/ My resto sham as of 21Feb2012... 393 ilvl |
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Syrion you might want to try FI. Once you get used to weaving it into your rotation it is awesome. Drop BOE and totemic reach... you wont see any difference in healing or play by dropping those but you will see an increase if you take FI (30% increase to you next heal! very nice with CH or HR). It rocks on H morchok.. cast FS or ES if you need the debuff it does... then drop HR on the group.
BOE your raid needs to sit at below 35% and if you are dropping healing rain and using chain heal or focusing a target chances are they already have earthliving on them. Plus most of the time your raid probably will not be below 35% |
