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I've been playing with the purple Legendary from DS on my DK and Paladin, and I have to say I'm rather impressed with just how powerful it is. I am a bit sad it didn't come with a guild perk like the 4.2 Legendary, but then neither did the other 4.3 Legendary that's only for Rogues....

"powerful with proc" != "legendary"

Remember, you're losing around a thousand DPS, more in AoE scenarios, in order to get that proc.

Says the mage.

02/20/2012 11:48 AMPosted by Krinu

"powerful with proc" != "legendary"

I disagree.

02/20/2012 11:56 AMPosted by Paladinchaz

Says the mage.

Would you prefer me to say it as a Paladin or DK?

"powerful with proc" != "legendary"

Remember, you're losing around a thousand DPS, more in AoE scenarios, in order to get that proc.

im not all up in arms against gruthalak but i gotta say, when dragonwrath was the big topic what everyone said was "ITS PROC IS INSANE IT MAKES IT LEGENDARY". yet now when gruthalak is being lead by the same banner of "amazing proc" it doesnt make it legendary?

does 1+1 =/= 2 on damage dealing forums?

For all those times the sword procs a ton and does incredible dps and upsets all the butthurt mages without legendaries (if you dont have the staff by this point, dont blame us, I mean come on some guilds have 7+) theres a time it doesnt proc at all or only procs once and the sword is a dps loss for the person carrying it.

Also, warrior proc rate =/= Ret and unholy proc rate by alot.

I have this Fine Poking Stick.

You can't get it anymore, so it's pretty legendary.

It's an interesting thought. First the idea was that ledgendaries were distinguished by their awesome procs and on equip effects, even if they wearn't ungodly strong. Then the people wanted to have really cool weapons with similar effects so they revised the definition to make legendaries just be a billion times better than any other weapon. But they had to introduce Gurth to balance melee and legendary wielding casters. Now the statements has become that the only think that seperates legendaries and really good "proc" purples is stats. It makes sense that with all these changing definitions that people become confused on what makes an item "legendary." Hopefully Blizz can give them more distinction in the future.

Also, warrior proc rate =/= Ret and unholy proc rate by alot.

Both my Paladin and DK seem to proc at a really good rate....

im not all up in arms against gruthalak but i gotta say, when dragonwrath was the big topic what everyone said was "ITS PROC IS INSANE IT MAKES IT LEGENDARY". yet now when gruthalak is being lead by the same banner of "amazing proc" it doesnt make it legendary?

does 1+1 =/= 2 on damage dealing forums?

Legendary usually refers to A. the integration with lore, B. the higher itemlevel than other gear, C. the heavy group effort required to acquire, and D. usually a proc appropriate for the people that are intended to use it.

Gurth has a proc, so it meets that one. It's on the same ilevel as all the other end-tier boss drops, so no go there. It's not integrated with lore beyond thematically fitting the expansion, and it certainly doesn't require extended team effort.

02/20/2012 12:19 PMPosted by Krinu

B. the higher itemlevel than other gear,

Sho'ravon, Greatstaff of Annihilation is the exact same item level as Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest, both are from the exact same tier...

Legendary usually refers to A. the integration with lore, B. the higher itemlevel than other gear, C. the heavy group effort required to acquire, and D. usually a proc appropriate for the people that are intended to use it.

Gurth has a proc, so it meets that one. It's on the same ilevel as all the other end-tier boss drops, so no go there. It's not integrated with lore beyond thematically fitting the expansion, and it certainly doesn't require extended team effort.

I would argue that not all legendaries have been like this and seem to have varied over WoW's history. The really only undebatable point is B. Some legendaries has little or no lore backing to them. The storyline behind Dragonwrath was weak at best in my opinion. Also the hunter bow and rogue daggers seem in a similar position. Point C is also up for debate. When legendaries start being a by-product of regular raiding, much like any other loot, the amount of group effort is at least seemingly diminished. And obviously part D is most controversial since weapons like gurth have similar or better procs.

You could argue it was a purple legendary for ret before they "fixed" it. It's hardly worth calling it that now.

02/20/2012 12:31 PMPosted by Madawk

You could argue it was a purple legendary for ret before they "fixed" it. It's hardly worth calling it that now.

... It's still awesome for me. Maybe yours is broke?

02/20/2012 12:35 PMPosted by Sethmann

You could argue it was a purple legendary for ret before they "fixed" it. It's hardly worth calling it that now.

... It's still awesome for me. Maybe yours is broke?

Yeah, and I'm sure you probably just saw one fight on your pally where you got like 8% damage from it (a VERY good number for ret now). Your personal experiences mean nothing for how the weapon ACTUALLY performs.

02/20/2012 12:45 PMPosted by Fredzilla

Your personal experiences mean nothing for how the weapon ACTUALLY performs.

Ahem, while anecdotal evidence is often meaningless as far as statistical models work, it is a valid example of how it actually performed.

"powerful with proc" != "legendary"

Remember, you're losing around a thousand DPS, more in AoE scenarios, in order to get that proc.

Gurth'alak is so good that it's effectively a legendary and it has a good proc, something that's signature to post-TBC legendaries.

Your personal experiences mean nothing for how the weapon ACTUALLY performs.

Ahem, while anecdotal evidence is often meaningless as far as statistical models work, it is a valid example of how it actually performed.

Uhhh....but with a proc based weapon statistical models are all that counts. Anecdotal evidence means less than nothing, it is actively bad information.

Not going to say that Gurthalak was a well thought out weapon, but quoting a few parses or anecdotal evidence is not the way to prove that.

im not all up in arms against gruthalak but i gotta say, when dragonwrath was the big topic what everyone said was "ITS PROC IS INSANE IT MAKES IT LEGENDARY". yet now when gruthalak is being lead by the same banner of "amazing proc" it doesnt make it legendary?

does 1+1 =/= 2 on damage dealing forums?

Legendary usually refers to A. the integration with lore, B. the higher itemlevel than other gear, C. the heavy group effort required to acquire, and D. usually a proc appropriate for the people that are intended to use it.

Gurth has a proc, so it meets that one. It's on the same ilevel as all the other end-tier boss drops, so no go there. It's not integrated with lore beyond thematically fitting the expansion, and it certainly doesn't require extended team effort.

I don't think the bow fulfilled any of your legendary requirements, probably item level but I'm far too lazy to check. Of course Gurthalak isn't a real legendary, but it does enough to be considered one.

02/20/2012 12:57 PMPosted by Schleichend

Gurth'alak is so good that it's effectively a legendary and it has a good proc, something that's signature to post-TBC legendaries.

Except for the fact that legendaries also have secondary stats in addition to a good proc.

Gurth users give up those stats for the proc. Thats by no means legendary. You're giving up static benefits, for the potential of having favorable RNG

DW users would do good dps without the proc, as the secondary stats also make a good impact on their DPS. In addition to the sockets.

And Gurth is only "OP" for arms warriors