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Destro Warlock Dps issue.
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Edited by Garregish on 2/21/12 9:50 PM (PST)
According to various searches and queries, destro has the lowest dps of the 3 classes of warlock. I don't mean a slight lower dps, I am talking about roughly 30% lower dps. Answers I have gotten regarding this include.. respec to another class. Guess what? I pay my $14.99 per month just like every other player, of every other class, and every other spec. I pay the $14.99 for server access, yes, true, but if i can't play the character i started with, I don't really need to pay for server access, now do I? ( I hope you are catching on to the undertones here, no need to pay if I don't want to play) I don't particularly care what the Devs have to do to fix this, JUST GET IT FIXED! I am sick to Flippin death of spending a boat load of gold on reforging, respecing, regemming, regearing, reglyphing and now come to find out, it makes not one flippin bit of difference, because destro is nerfed so badly that it can't even keep up with the other 2 warlock specs. And don't you DARE respond with a comment even remotely HINTING at "maybe in the next patch......."
Am I POed? You bet your bootie I am. We've been ignored for over a year and a half, I am not the first person to post on this topic, and don't think a paltry increase of a few percentage points is going to make up for the massive nerfing you did when cata came out. I should be able to get at LEAST the same dps as some 12 yr old playing a dk spamming 3 buttons, or a hunter spamming steady shot. So which ever blizz employee that happens to read this, i suggest you copy it to note pad, print it off hard copy, and staple it to a DEVS forehead with a carpet stapler. Maybe they will get the idea. |
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Okay settle down now. Whoever gave you that info about destro trailing in DPS has their head up their nether regions. Destro is currently equal to all the other specs out there and in some situations outperforms the other specs.
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Woahhh there, No he is right. Destro is horribly behind in pvp and pve compared to other classes. If your thinking that its the same its probably because what you have seen is just a good player trying to make a lock work compared to horrible players who only know how to hit 3 buttons (dk's) and topple the locks dps.
BTW, after the guys done stapling the paper to his forehead maybe he can give him a high five...in the face...with a sledgehammer. |
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Edited by Keleshara on 2/21/12 10:12 PM (PST)
http://simulationcraft.org/430/Warlock.html
Destro is in a bad place in PvP but its never really been the go to PvP spec. If you want to PvP you go affliction. But as far as PvE it is very competitive with other classes and other specs of warlock. Simcraft shows it and personal experience in everything from my own raids to LFR to speaking with other locks on my server. It is just a very involved, tough playstyle to master. Which means the vast majority of people who try to play it and are not prepared are going to feel like it is completely out of the ballgame compared to the other specs. Destro is also very very gear dependent. If you cant hit the 30% haste threshold raid buffed then you are not at full potential. Just some food for thought. |
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And.. while I am on a good rant here, I also have a problem with the way the Devs favor and molly coddle PvPers. YES FAVOR. I am a max level tailor, lev 525. I can make PVP gear of ilev 377 from the trainer. Where are my comparable pve patterns? They don't exist!
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http://simulationcraft.org/430/Warlock.html Got bored of reading what you put quickly. stopped at "Destro is in a bad place in PvP but its never really been the go to PvP spec" Bull, destro was something amazing back in vanilla and BC days, even in the early days of WotLK it had some good power to it. In all honesty you can link all the crap you want to. I could waste 5 mins of my life and find a link that counters yours. my expressions come from experience as, and against warlocks for around 5-6 years. |
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buffed applies to all 3 lock classes, the buff affects each spec equally.. but if destro is 30% lower than the other 2 specs.... and if all 3 specs are playing in the same group, with the same buffs (and same gear, just for the sake of a control scenario) destro is STILL going to be 30% lower. buffs arent the answer, getting better gear isnt the answer. Fixing the issue to makes destro on a more even scale with the other 2 specs IS.
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Okay so I thought I would be nice and try to help out someone whos angry with their toon. But apparently my good nature is going to get thrown in my face here. Garregish good luck with your toon.
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Edited by Caboose on 2/21/12 10:25 PM (PST)
Demo>destro>afflic right now, I'm not sure what you were looking at but on a stand still fight demo does more than destro, and destro does more than afflic
Maybe you just suck at playing and are always 30% behind everyone else, but people who are competent at playing the class are always in the top 5 in recount Edit: Just looked at OP's armory, 362 ilvl, no wonder you're complaining about being behind |
Woahhh there, No he is right. Destro is horribly behind in pvp and pve compared to other classes. If your thinking that its the same its probably because what you have seen is just a good player trying to make a lock work compared to horrible players who only know how to hit 3 buttons (dk's) and topple the locks dps. Looking at the overall DPS on raidbots, the greatest PvE disparity between Aff and Destro is about 1.5k DPS with Demo somewhere inbetween. That's actually pretty good, and it's more or less where we've been this entire expansion. If you want to see a bad disparity, take a look at mages. Fire's way at the top, with Arcane near the bottom, and Frost is nonexistent. I'm not even going to touch the poor hunters. Of course, that's just overall DPS. In individual fights things vary much more wildly. In my experience, Destro's been always in the middle of spec effectiveness for individual fights, with Demo and Aff flip-flopping between best and worst. |
Its not even really JUST the other 2 specs. Its the whole spectrum of other dps classes / specs. There is just so much more we have to do to rev our our damage in pve in comparison to another classes 3 maybe 4 buttons. Not to mention, keeping up 100% uptime on dots while dodging anything it is we need to, i dont know about you guys but my ninja skills are not advanced enough to look at my hp meter, look at debuffs, check cooldowns, keep rotation going, check timer on boss abilities, dodge said boss abilities. if mana gets low make sure healer's got free time to heal me as i life tap so i dont kill myself accidently. keep soulgems up if adds are around....you guys get my drift. |
Demo>destro>afflic right now, I'm not sure what you were looking at but on a stand still fight demo does more than destro, and destro does more than afflic This. I've played locks since early BC (when I started playing), and like them so much in fact I have 2 85 ones. The difference in specs now isn't that noticeable... Where do you get this arbitrary 30% number you're floating around? Today, for example, I was in lfr and a destro lock and I were neck and neck in dps, but both in the top 5 for individual boss fights, and overall dps. |
Power auras to keep track of buffs, RL calls out boss abilities, mana isn't an issue as a warlock so lifetapping sure shouldn't be an issue either, and the whole point of demo warlock is cooldown management, though you might not be demo, it might do you some good to learn |
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[/quote]my expressions come from experience as, and against warlocks for around 5-6 years.[/quote]
/agreed l2p lol been around since vanillla and Destro been top in DPS in vanilla n BC dunno WotLK refused to buy it. lol |
Its not even really JUST the other 2 specs. Its the whole spectrum of other dps classes / specs. There is just so much more we have to do to rev our our damage in pve in comparison to another classes 3 maybe 4 buttons. Then maybe playing a warlock isn't for you. :) |
Very nice! Have a blood elf one that doesn't get the love it used to, since this one is so adorable... :) |
No, im destro. a good one at that. been at it for awhile and yes im usually around the top of the dps charts for what crappy gear i do have, i dont pve as much as i usto. got sick of smashing my face against on single raid every week so im a pvp'er. but the issues are still the same...and sadly if you think an addon or a raid leader should have to call all the crap out 100% of the time. i feel sorry for your raid leader and the !@#$ty people he has to lead. |
I'm just saying, if you don't have the attention span to watch boss timers and play your class correctly, you can ask your raid leader to call out, but clearly you're to good for that and if your top dps with crappy gear, what does that say about the rest of your raid? |
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I'm just saying, if you don't have the attention span to watch boss timers and play your class correctly, you can ask your raid leader to call out, but clearly you're to good for that Caboose you just said what I was thinking. |
