World of Warcraft™

Knowing they've cut content from the game and are charging extra for it. I work too hard for my money to buy an incomplete game for full price. This really sucks, I REALLY want to play Mass Effect 3, but I will not purchase it until the price drops if this stays as is.

I'm ok with the extra cosmetic crap costing extra. I'm ok with them having outside peripherals that effect how well you perform, as long as I can still get the best ending with extra work. But cutting content from the game to have DLC on launch day? No, sorry. WoW is more than enough entertainment until the game drops to a more reasonable price.

That's EA for ya.

Just wait a couple of months and buy a digital download from Amazon or something, it will probably be $30.

Origins will probably be $60 forever knowing EA.

Agreed. Sadly, most people don't really realize what it means and will just go on and support this game day 1, letting the industry know that this is A-OK business practice.

They cut content? I loved the series but am not an avid follower. What exactly did they do?

02/22/2012 12:56 PMPosted by Bifflespick

They cut content? I loved the series but am not an avid follower. What exactly did they do?

http://www.vg247.com/2012/02/21/mass-effect-3-from-ashes-dlc-spotted-on-xbox-live/

Very slight spoilers in this article, it's DLC for a new mission/squad member.

02/22/2012 12:56 PMPosted by Bifflespick

They cut content? I loved the series but am not an avid follower. What exactly did they do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM

Totalbiscut going ape about it around 3:00

Reddit rant:

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/q14v7/totalbiscuitwhy_i_think_bioware_ea_has_gone_too/

TL;DR the game is actually EIGHTY DOLLARS for full content (price of the "special edition"). You are paying $60 for an incomplete game and if you don't pay for the SE, you need to pay for the DLC which is $10.

Damn you Oblivion Horse Armor look what you did!

But really people need to stop buying into this crap.

We all know after a year the real version will come out for 40 dollars with all DLC included.

Suppose waitting is too hard for most.

Damn you Oblivion Horse Armor look what you did!

But really people need to stop buying into this crap.

We all know after a year the real version will come out for 40 dollars with all DLC included.

Suppose waitting is too hard for most.

well, its everyone waited, the game wouldn't sell, and if it doesn't sell that means no GOTY or complete pack edition

Every company seems to be doing it these days. It's not as egregious as what Sega is doing with FotS. The game has only 6 clans but there are 3 reserved for pre-orders, but you can't get all of them since they're exclusive to separate retailers.

When Dragon Age 2 came out, there was DLC on Xbox live on launch day.

Retail copies of the game came with a voucher that enabled people who bought the game legitimately to access that content for free.

Do we know for a fact that this isn't the exact same scenario?

When Dragon Age 2 came out, there was DLC on Xbox live on launch day.

Retail copies of the game came with a voucher that enabled people who bought the game legitimately to access that content for free.

Do we know for a fact that this isn't the exact same scenario?

They did the same thing with Mass Effect 2 (Free armor packs and a mission to get Zaeed as a squad member if you bought a new copy of the game, not from a used game vendor). The difference here is that you only get access to this content for free with the collector's edition (20$ more) or purchasing it as DLC.

"BioWare’s Michael gamble wrote on the BioWare Social Network.

'For those of you who have purchased the N7 Collector’s Edition (including the PC Digital Deluxe Edition), you will get this content at no extra charge.'"

Edit: The content was briefly leaked onto the Xbox Live marketplace with a price tag of $10 before it was removed.

When Dragon Age 2 came out, there was DLC on Xbox live on launch day.

Retail copies of the game came with a voucher that enabled people who bought the game legitimately to access that content for free.

Do we know for a fact that this isn't the exact same scenario?

in dragon age origins, if you bought the game new, you got a small piece of content, a new character and some quests. This was an incentive to buy the game new instead of used; however, warden's keep was already on this disc but was locked, only the people who bought the CE got it for free, everyone else had to pay, this is a bad business practice and should not be supported, if its on the disc, you are entitled to have it, if you want to cut it and make it only available for new copies and those that got the used have to pay for it, thats fine IMHO.

Why is this any different than what's been happening for years now? Just because the release of this content is staggered from the release of the game, it's somehow different? This is a sales model in Capitalism. I love Capitalism but it's not without its failings. This is one of them.

Over a hundred years ago there were ideas similar to this where someone would create something. Then they would deliberately come up with lesser versions of that created thing. Then they would release them overtime until they finally maximized the value of that one thing they created in the beginning.

I guess I don't quite understand the more notable anger over how it's happening this time.

Why is this any different than what's been happening for years now? Just because the release of this content is staggered from the release of the game, it's somehow different? This is a sales model in Capitalism. I love Capitalism but it's not without its failings. This is one of them.

Over a hundred years ago there were ideas similar to this where someone would create something. Then they would deliberately come up with lesser versions of that created thing. Then they would release them overtime until they finally maximized the value of that one thing they created in the beginning.

I guess I don't quite understand the more notable anger over how it's happening this time.

The difference between this and most other DLC is that they spent pre-release development time on it and cut it from the game. If it was developed before the game came out, it should be in the game. What you're paying for if you buy the standard edition of Mass Effect 3 is an incomplete game because content has been cut from it, and you will have to pay 10$ extra for the "full" game. It's not something cosmetic. It's not a power increase. It CHANGES the game.

Edit: Also, the nature of this particular DLC is also a reason to anger the fans. It's not just a new human squad member with some special power or something. The mission/squad member you get from this is vitally important to the lore of the game and a major focus of it.

When people talk about DLC at launch it just kinda makes me think that the developers just didn't have the time to add in those things, or that they weren't able to fit that content onto the disk itself, so they made it a digital download instead.

I have not kept up with anything about ME3, but is there anything stopping you from getting the "extra" stuff from the bay of pirates?

/shrug

If I get the game, I'll do so a year or two from now and ignore the DLC. None of the Bioware DLCs have been terribly amazing anyway

Bioware screwed something up? Gee, that's new.

They did the same thing with Mass Effect 2 (Free armor packs and a mission to get Zaeed as a squad member if you bought a new copy of the game, not from a used game vendor). The difference here is that you only get access to this content for free with the collector's edition (20$ more) or purchasing it as DLC.

Thank you for the clarification.

When they've done that in the past (Warden's Keep), it's a secondary area that might contribute to lore, but not to the main plot. Main-plot elements were always free with original purchase, DLC for secondary-market purchase.

If they're incorporating main-story elements at an additional charge, they're opening the door to a PR nightmare -- and quite possibly a class-action lawsuit.