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Garrosh Hellscream
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So where do we currently find Garrosh? He recently murdered another horde ruler and is currently running a dictatorship of the Horde. When I see this I see yeah this is where Theramore balances out. Lets kill Garrosh. I mean fore real kill him not just a group of people on one realm. It'd be so cool if the Horde rebelled against him in this expansion. They could maybe seek the alliances aid in downing the warchief. Honestly there could be an entire dungeon devoted to this with a faction called: The New Horde. Alliance could help out with putting them in power. There would have to be an incident at the end where The New Horde attacks the alliance so the war continues. Now this doesn't have to go so deep it could just be 1 or 2 quests but all of the current lore seems to be leading up to this and I'd really enjoy seeing this put in the game.
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no, just no.
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Yes! Hopefully with Saurfang involved somehow.
Preferably not. I say give the Alliance an equally involved but unrelated quest chain or storyline. |
we are at war and you want the horde to betray there own kind just to kill a warchief who roflstomped your precious theramore. Theramore is a threat to the horde. |
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Why don't we kill that idiot king chin instead. He's useless and only thinks about building statues.
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When it comes down to it, you need to look at the Horde race by race.
Orcs - Love him. Would defend him if it came down to it. Trolls - Vol'jin is unhappy, so are some trolls. I don't believe the trolls are UNITED in their unhappiness, though. Tauren - The whole Cairne thing stings, but they still swore themselves to the Horde. Toss up. Undead - Would easily break away if the opportunity presented itself. It hasn't yet. Blood Elves - Probably in same boat as undead? Not sure on this one. Goblins - Disregard politics, acquire currency. All in all, something outside the Horde would need to set a conflict off, then the undead might jump on the kill Garrosh bandwagon. |
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Edited by Suej on 2/22/12 2:55 PM (PST)
So where do we currently find Garrosh? He recently murdered another horde ruler and is currently running a dictatorship of the Horde. When I see this I see yeah this is where Theramore balances out. Lets kill Garrosh. I mean fore real kill him not just a group of people on one realm. It'd be so cool if the Horde rebelled against him in this expansion. They could maybe seek the alliances aid in downing the warchief. Honestly there could be an entire dungeon devoted to this with a faction called: The New Horde. Alliance could help out with putting them in power. There would have to be an incident at the end where The New Horde attacks the alliance so the war continues. Now this doesn't have to go so deep it could just be 1 or 2 quests but all of the current lore seems to be leading up to this and I'd really enjoy seeing this put in the game. There could be a dungeon (in which allies disguises as horde, as it already happens in several dungeons the other way) where players join Vol'jin(*1) in hunting Garrosh, since he does not want to return power to Thrall(*2) (*1) Vol'jin already threatened Garrosh with killing him ("Ya will spend ya reign glancin' over ya shoulda and fearin' tha shadows, for when tha time comes and ya blood be slowly drainin' out, you will know exactly who fired tha arrow dat pierced ya black heart.") and that's why he left Orgrimmar and founded the Darkspear city in the recently recovered Echo Isles. (*2) Or maybe he could go Panda hunting xD The playerbase may not like Garrosh, but lorewise, the Horde loves him. Worng: Orcs love him, the Horde loved his father. The main reason the Horde still stands together as a whole is Thrall. After showing you that vision (the argument with Garrosh), Vol'jin call Thrall to his cell phone(*3), and Thrall himself ask Vol'jin to deal with Garrosh a little longer and not to lead the Darkspear away from the Horde. That, added to what Vol'jin believes the Horde stands for, made him decide to remain still as part of the Horde(*4). Similar things happenned already with Taurens and Cairne situation (*3) Almost literally xD (*4) Vol'jin: "Still, I fear I was lettin' my temper drive me ta bein' rash. Thrall devoted himself to makin' the Horde what it is, so I've no eagerness to be leavin' it on a whim. Dis will be needin' much more thought" |
You call for an outside force? How about that Pandaren that will be joining soon? You think they will be so happy to come into a brutal dictatorship? I think not. |
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I personally would pick the wise Thrall over the impulsive Garrosh any day. Though(and I know this will never happen, the leader of the orcs will always be the leader of the horde) I would prefer Lady Sylvanas over either of them.
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As I have said in one thread about Garrosh Hellscream...
Garrosh is beloved by most of the Horde. Thrall himself had told Garrosh to become the Warchief when he had to become the defender of Azeroth for the reason that he was a decorated and famed war hero in Northrend. That's what the Horde needed at this time...a war hero. Someone to take charge and ensure that the Horde can survive in the heightened hostilities between the Horde and the Alliance. Even in MoP, as far as we know of, will be centrally focused around the Alliance/Horde war. So Garrosh will be needed greatly. And since he is not only a decorated war hero, he is also the son of Grommash Hellscream (the redeemer of their people), and is also one of the few of the Orcs that weren't corrupted by the Legion (and, in my honest opinion, is actually older than Thrall due to this), and to be the only non-corrupt to come onto the throne of Warchief, people adore him! Whether some leaders like it or not (which is mostly all of them) Garrosh has become such a figure to the Horde, that if he were to die, people would just raise the white flag on the spot. No matter how many times he made '!@#$%^-/douchebag/jackass' moves, he has proven and shown time and time again that he is the true embodiment of the what the Horde stands for. Strength, Power, Honor, Courage, Dependable And, in few moments, he has even shown bouts of wisdom that most would see outside of his character. But, as for other races outside of the Orcs, here is how I see it: Trolls-Not particularly fans, but will tolerate him due to how effective he got things done Tauren-Still stung by Cairne's death, but is mostly over due to two facts: 1)Cairne initiated a fight of honor that Garrosh couldn't refuse, a fight to the death 2)Magatha Grimtotem tricked Garrosh into blessing Gorehowl, but secretly poisoned it instead Undead-Steamed that he had insulted their beloved Queen for trying out ways to ensure their numbers stayed up, but don't have a choice but to deal with him or they won't have Horde protection, and end up getting wiped out by Scarlet Crusade and overwhelming Alliance forces Blood Elves-Going along with the Undead for this one Goblins-Don't give a damn, the Trade Prince probably has assassins going after him and Thrall as we speak So, all in all, Garrosh is a superb leader...just not a nice guy. I am starting to slowly like Garrosh due to the fact that his character is getting more and more complex as we speak. Already he is showing changes of himself to fit into the absolute perfect need that the Horde needs to just stay in the war. So, I wouldn't go bashing on Garrosh just yet...study his character a bit. It would be like me saying I want Varian dead because, in full honest truth, he's just about as much of a hothead and a douchebag as Garrosh, but he is exactly what the Alliance needs to stay in the war...he certainly became the one thing the Worgen exactly needed. |
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If we could just have Thrall back as WC it would solve EVERYTHING and things would go back to normal.
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Edited by Daghain on 2/22/12 2:52 PM (PST)
I have said it in many other posts like this SYLVANAS FOR WARCHIEF!!!! (except than the horde would win and blizz would be left without a story to keep us playing after we we're done with end-game) EDIT: oh and PLAGUE, PLAGUE EVERYWHERE!!!!! |
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The Fourth War is based on prejudice and racism, from both King Varian and Warchief Garrosh. Players who actually get sucked into the in-story Alliance vs. Horde hatreds have some serious problems. The seeds of the Fourth War were sewed when Admiral Daelin Proudmoore attacked Durotar without reason, which was around the same time Jain established Theramore. The ultimate goal of Mists of Pandaria will be peace between the Alliance and Horde (PvP has essentially become non-canon so it's not a problem). The focus of Warcraft may be 'war', but it's not always war between the Alliance and Horde. Both the Alliance and Horde have been at war with Illidan, the Burning Legion, the Scourge and the Twilight's Hammer, and there'll be more such threats in the future.
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I feel like they are setting up the plot to overthrow Garrosh (not with the Alliances help).
Sylvanas is already rebelling against Garrosh with her plague. She seems to have become a tad unstable recently. Garrosh, unknowingly, killed Cairne with a poisoned blade. This could easily be worked into a reason for Baine to hate him. Vol'jin already moved out of Orgrimmar and threatened to kill Garrosh. He is clearly not a fan of what Garrosh is up to. Lor'themar is a question mark, but it isn't too far of a stretch to say that he doesn't care too much either way and that Sylvanas and/or Vol'jin could sway him into action. Gallywix is as greedy as they come, give him some gold and he is good to go. If the Horde takes heavy losses at Theramore -- which I hope it does considering Jaina is immensely powerful and she should show it -- it could break Garrosh in the eyes of the Orcs and serve a good time for the other faction leaders to usurp his authority. |
