War College - Strand of the Ancients

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This week, the topic of discussion is:

Strand of the Ancients - Which tactics have you found most effective in Strand of the Ancients? What tips, tricks and strategies have you discovered? What common mistakes have you witnessed?

The battlefields of World of Warcraft are littered with the bones of those who have become casualties in the ongoing conflict between the Horde and the Alliance. You do not need to become one of them. One of the keys to victory is knowledge, and that is where the World of Warcraft War College enters the picture. In these discussions between players, you can learn and share strategies with other players to improve your tactics and improve your odds of emerging victorious from the field of battle.

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2 Undead Warrior
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Turrets are bad. They do less damage than you could up close and don't let you cc the demos. Additionally, if the offense decides to rush the other gate with all four demos then the people in the turrets are way out of position.

Stop fighting on the beach while demos are already on the 2nd or 3rd gate. Too often people are caught up in getting an HK instead of prolonging the battle as long as possible.
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85 Night Elf Druid
7705
On defense - Defend the west and east GYs. Kill demolishers.

On offense - Crowd control/peel off your demolishers and cap the east and west GYs. Use bombs also.

The biggest problem I see is players ignoring demolishers and just focusing on killing players. That is a huge no no. They need to die quickly. Also, the demolishers are to attack the gates, not to attack players. The demolishers need to find the quickest way to the gates

Another tip: if your last line of defense is set up just before the relic chamber (or at yellow) stealth classes should not be afraid to leave and kill the spawning demolishers at the east and west GYs

Also a tip is to leave the demolishers at low health so its easy to destroy them once a player gets in them, thus resetting the spawn time quickly.

It's also important to fall back ASAP when a gate goes down and to spead defense accordingly so demolishers don't sneak past your team. People need to have good awareness and call incomings.

Use the gate teleporters to fall back on defense quicker rather than running all the way back.

Healers DISPELL DISPELL DISPELL the demolishers!! They need maximum mobility so dispell whatever slows are on them!

Starting on defense, the team needs to split evenly and sit ON THE BEACH ready to burst down the demolishers ASAP. It's a good idea for hunters to lay down slowing traps right where the demolishers spawn
Edited by Soupinacan on 2/22/2012 7:19 PM PST
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90 Gnome Warrior
13000
Really, SotA is so much of a zerg fest, there really isn't a 'proper strategy'. While I'm all for 'variety', SotA is way too reliant on vehicles to be 'true PvP'.

Best advice I can give anyone (and it might be said over and over again by others) is to kill demos on the beach ASAP, fall back when you need to, and do NOT get in the cannons as the damage they do (even during Wrath) was minimal.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
11045
SOTA is all about demos and bombs. Killing players is secondary.

If you're defending, do whatever you can to slow/kill them. Even if they're in range for the catapult to hit, keep them off the doors to prevent them from ramming it as well. As part of this, be sure to watch out for people who are dispelling the demos. If your slows/snares aren't sticking, then you need to prevent them from being removed in any way possible. This could mean CCing the person, killing them, or simply snaring them so they fall out of range.

Don't forget about the bombs though, especially at yellow or the artifact room. You've got a short amount of time to disable them before they damage the walls. However, damage interrupts the "cast", so try to avoid being seen, or CC the sapper first.

Finally, remember to defend the GYs, especially if you can do it by yourself. A rogue sitting there and chain sapping anyone trying to tag them can make a world of difference. Even if you've actually got to fight to do it, that extra time all adds up, especially if you kill them. If you know you're going to lose the fight, try to kite them away from it, and CC/slow/immobilize them before you die.

If you're on offense, do what you can to protect them. If you're a dispeller, remove all the slows/snares. If you can't do that, either peel people off them, or grab bombs and plant them at the doors. A note on peeling: it isn't the same thing as killing. All it means is that you're keeping them from doing damage tot he demo. A simple Deathgrip and Chains of Ice is all it takes to get a melee off of a demo. Don't waste time killing them if you don't have to. Also, make sure you grab the first two graveyards, but not the one closest to the artifact. That makes you spawn farther away from the workshops, which means it takes longer to recover if your push gets stopped.

And, as always, communicate.
Make sure you know what's going on with demos positioning, gate status, and graveyard status, and make sure the rest of your group knows as well. If you're defending, and you see a demo going to an undefended gate, don't just assume that others see it as well. Call it out.
Edited by Karat on 2/22/2012 7:52 PM PST
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90 Human Mage
3335
slow down the demolishers. at all costs.
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100 Worgen Warlock
12295
Siege engines > players

Offense: Protect engines by CCing and cleansing engines.
Defense: Kill engines, slow them etc...

Never take S GY.

If you have S GY it makes it harder to get to the workshops to get engines to destroy yellow gate.
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85 Troll Hunter
12160
ranged... lots of ranged.
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90 Undead Warlock
8575
Always focus on the demos, regardless of if you're offense or defense.

Offense: Pick a side, and keep the demos rolling at all times. If you see a demo on the map not moving, get it going. Anyone not in a demo: dispell any debuffs on them, distract or kill anyone attacking them. Also grab a bomb because, hey, every little bit helps. Demos should focus entirely on destroying gates- not players, and for crying out loud, not turrets! Once a gate is down, beeline directly to the next one, and fire the moment you're in range. Don't stop moving until you're running into the darn thing, making sure to use the battering ram between fireballs.

Cap the East & West graveyards for more demos. Do not cap the South graveyard, as your team will respawn far away from the demos.

Defense: Slow and destroy the demos. That's it. Bring every weapon in your arsenal to bear on demos. If you're not attacking a demo, or healing those attacking a demo, or at the very least CCing the demos, you're not helping.
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02/22/2012 07:18 PMPosted by Waroirofwar
slow down the demolishers. at all costs.


And what works best to slow them down?
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
11045
02/22/2012 07:20 PMPosted by Highslowd
What are you trying to accomplish with this war college ? For many years I have tried to teach our fellow players' how to negotiate the World of Warcraft's Battlegrounds' with tried, tested and proven techniques'. If what I think I am seeing here is an effort to "educate people" on how to execute commands in battle inside battlegrounds, then I applaud your efforts, but if you are trying to take credit the tactical solutions that we ( the true veterans of WOW ) developed over the years, then I would have to thwart your efforts for reasons that anyone with common sense can clearly understand.

I don't think he's trying to take credit for anything. From what he posted in the first one (on gearing up), I think he's planning on creating a meta thread that links to these so people can quickly and easily access class-agnostic strategies and tips for PvPing.

02/22/2012 07:22 PMPosted by Daxxarri
And what works best to slow them down?

Physical slows/snares, like hamstring are the best. Beyond that are hunter traps, especially frost trap. Then comes dispellable slows/snares, like Chains of Ice, for talented Frost Fever. Basically, the harder it is for the offense to get the demos back up to full speed, the better. If a healer can just run along and spam a dispell, then you're going to have an issue. On a related note, be sure to watch out for that, and be ready to CC/silence/etc them. Even a few seconds can mean the difference between a gate being fully destroyed, or your team getting there in time to successfully defend it.
Edited by Karat on 2/22/2012 7:28 PM PST
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Community Manager
02/22/2012 07:20 PMPosted by Highslowd
If what I think I am seeing here is an effort to "educate people" on how to execute commands in battle inside battlegrounds, then I applaud your efforts


The goal is to start conversations about PvP that are about tactics and execution rather than game balance, get experienced players to share information amongst themselves, and help players who aren't as experienced get up to speed.

Hopefully there will be players who have never joined a battleground, who opt to do so after reading a War College thread, and players who have been playing for years who pick up something new that they'd never encountered or thought of.
Edited by Daxxarri on 2/22/2012 7:28 PM PST
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90 Draenei Warrior
0
02/22/2012 07:22 PMPosted by Daxxarri
And what works best to slow them down?


Slowing CCs such as Piercing Howl, Hamstring, Chain of Ice, etc.

Also Immobilization effects.
Edited by Givemepizza on 2/22/2012 7:25 PM PST
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