World of Warcraft™

I've just done 5 battlegrounds in a row where anywhere from 30-60% of the classes in the BG are rogues.

The last Warsong Gulch had an alliance team with 5 rogues who would all jump the flag carrier, go immune to everything and shadow dance it dead with absolutely nothing anyone could do.

It wasn't even coordinated outside of them all showing up, but it was unstoppable.

Do rogues really need to be more than 50% of the pvpers at all times before blizzard does anything about this?

Sadly I almost wish for Blood DKs back, at least there I knew they were strong because blizzard screwed up the way something worked in pvp and were looking to fix it.

Rogues just feel like they were given this patch/season to be gods...... woe to anyone who isn't a god.

Well you know rogues were the lowest population class for a while (the span of pretty much most of the entire expansion) just below warlocks and hunters

it goes to show how many people jump on the FOTM bus. To be competitive in PvP I guess you have to follow the trend.

The difference is that they don't buff the crap out of warlocks and hunters (barring the broken dispel system that requires UA on every magic effect to make it stick).

Imagine if the way hunters work in low level BGs (they can basically kill you with a few arcane shots) was made for 85. You zone into a BG and see half the team as hunters and know that you are gonna get shot to death over and over with nothing you can do about it.

Or if they made UA dispellable without the silence or damage, yet fear was unbreakable by damage and didn't DR.

That's how rogues feel right now, as if you may as well just sit back and pray there you have more rogues on your team to carry all the non-special classes.

http://www.arenastats.com/index.php?r=all&bg=all&br=3&mr=2400&mt=5&mg=20

Clearly not, they need to break 20%

Their scaling + the 10% AP buff + control + legendaries led to a lot of fotm rerolls. They were the least popular class prior and now it's like they've had a complete population explosion between rerolls and people dusting their alts off to enjoy being overpowered for a short while.

So who gets to win the next "(insert class) were feeling a little left out...so we gave them (blank)" competition?


Probably hunters, right?

Honestly, I hope so. Hunters have !@#$ing earned it. Out of any possible class in the game they have. (and this is coming from a person whose hunter has never gotten past blue geared because I love my druid and shaman too much)

Honestly, I've tried mages, I've tried rogues.... they are just not that fun of classes. I'd love to play a class that is that catered to, but those classes are just boring.

About the only class that I like that even comes close to that is warriors..... and if rogues and mages ever got treated like warriors have been treated recently...... my god would the forums run read with blood.

So who gets to win the next "(insert class) were feeling a little left out...so we gave them (blank)" competition?


Probably hunters, right?

Probably warlocks, the new least played class now that rogues have legendaries and are in FotM OP status. Not sure how they'll do it tho, unless they really do nerf dispels and make fear not break on damage.

So who gets to win the next "(insert class) were feeling a little left out...so we gave them (blank)" competition?


Probably hunters, right?

Probably warlocks, the new least played class now that rogues have legendaries and are in FotM OP status. Not sure how they'll do it tho, unless they really do nerf dispels and make fear not break on damage.

Thinking return to SL/SL, fear doesn't break on damage and is instant cast, drain life tripled in healing %, dispels removed from the game.

That sounds like what rogues are like now.

If warcraftrealms is to be believed rogues are still 2nd to last on population at 85. Clearly trending upwards and pretty rapidly but its not like rogues have overnight become the most popular class in wow. Rogue population is probably capped at about 10%, past that there just aren't enough spots and thats about what we're approaching right now.

I personally know about 5-6 players that levelled a rogue alt to 85 in the past couple months.

if you look at the fine print it rogue were the least played with raiding achievements, overall i don't know many people who don't have a rogue alt max level at some point.

Yea.... the problem of course with all those ways of judging if rogues are "fine" are pretty lackluster.

Judging by how many rogues at 85 there are..... unless alot of people make double classes then rogues cannot get past 10% or so. The real question is "how many people are playing rogues as THEIR class right now?"

So we look at raiding. If you just go by 10mans, chances are you'd never see more than 10%.... 25mans might even be less (quiet likely). However alot of that has to do with them being a pure dps class, and having no real advantage for raids outside of damage (and certain fights where being able to feint damage makes the fight easier).

However, if we go into pvp.... suddenly rogue population jumps to nearly 20% if you're in the higher rated areas, and up to nearly 40-50% if you're in the lower rated areas.


What does that tell us, that while making rogues so strong will never make them as popular for raiding as a hybrid class that can play multiple roles, or make their playstyle less boring in pve, it CAN make them so stupidly powerful in pvp that people will take the path of least resistance and make a rogue to kill people with.



You can keep buffing rogues until they oneshot everyone they touch (you're not far off it now if you had left Vial alone), but that won't make groups want to bring them any more, or make them less boring in pve.



Or I guess we could just keep buffing them until AB is just a bunch of invisible people screaming "NEAR THE FLAG OR WE'LL BE HERE ALL DAY"

The obvious answer to this problem is that people who play rogues are just more skilled than other players, and the class isn't OP at all.

We just need to learn to play.

02/18/2012 09:13 PMPosted by Porrc

However, if we go into pvp.... suddenly rogue population jumps to nearly 20% if you're in the higher rated areas, and up to nearly 40-50% if you're in the lower rated areas.

40-50%? where are you getting that?

My Rogue hit 85 before it was cool.

I was just in a warsong with 5 druids on our team and 3 on theirs. The other day I was in a twin peaks with 5 mages. One AV there were 30 paladins on our team (I kid you not; it was magical). One ab there were 9 dks on my team.

Et cetera.