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Guardian spec is going to be a watered down version of a protection warrior
Feral druids are going to be watered down versions of rogues

Why not just roll a warrior/rogue at this point?

Because that requires lvling 2 characters as opposed to 1. Boom i win.

Because rogues and warriors are more limited in their trees. Rogues can dps and, for a refreshing change, respec and dps. Warriors can tank or dps, making them slightly more fun, but only slightly. As a feral/resto I can do all three. Even with the upcoming changes in MoP, it still astonishes me that this versatility escapes people. I guess it's a matter of preference, but if you prefer the other two classes over the "watered down" versions play them instead.

Splitting the specs eliminates the advantage of being a druid.

A feral druid doesn't have in combat stealth like rogues. They can't just vanish when they are getting focused. It is either bear form or attempt to run away. No, the Displacer Beast talent doesn't count. It has a longer cooldown than rogue vanish.

A bear doesn't have the mobility or control a prot warrior has. They can't leave bear form either for fear of getting stunned in caster form.

The interesting part about being a druid was the combination of the two aspects. The druid equivalent isn't as good as the real thing, but being able to perform both made up for that.

Being a druid sounds incredibly boring now. Pigeon-holed into one thing. They might give more tools to be more similar to rogues/prot warriors... but they will be watered down and less effective than the real versions. (Example: Displacer Beast vs Vanish).

So I ask again... why not just roll a rogue/warrior at this point?

(I have no interest going balance/restoration).

Guardian spec is going to be a watered down version of a protection warrior
Feral druids are going to be watered down versions of rogues

Why not just roll a warrior/rogue at this point?

Your first mistake is assuming the "watered down" thing.

02/19/2012 12:28 AMPosted by Tangedyn

Your first mistake is assuming the "watered down" thing.

Not quite sure why someone would interpret it any other way....

The "watered down" argument hasn't been true since like, TBC. Bears and kitties bring different utilities to their group than prot warriors and rogues.

Clearly you only want to hear one thing, so here it is. Just roll a rogue or warrior in MoP. Those of us who like variety will stick to something else; though I find it amusing that you talk about how watered down the druid class CURRENTLY is and then make comparisons using CURRENT abilities, which for all we know could not even exist once MoP hits. I can handle not having vanish because it's on a 3 minute CD, unless you want to blow readiness, and then it's still on a 3 minute CD along with your loss of readiness. I'll just switch out of cat, toss on a few HoTs and shift back to cat for the extra healing while using dash in the meantime. Or I can go into OP bear form and lmao as it takes half of the other team to bring me down, giving my team time to cap a flag or anything else meaningful. I'm not sure if you've ever encountered two ferals in 2v2 arenas, but if you haven't you should try it out sometime. The only thing worse is two blood-specced DKs. Btw, you do know faerie fire/hunter's mark + DoTs render vanish useless right?

And I like your suggestion that prot warriors have more mobility and control, though I have no idea what you're talking about in all honesty. Have you ever tried healing a prot warrior? If not, it sucks. If you don't believe me jump on over to the healing forums and swallow that pill. As for bears not shifting to caster for fear of stuns, I had no idea prot warriors were stun immune, thanks for the tip. Seriously though, I assume you mean berserker's rage. What happens when you use it and get stunned later when it's on CD?

Again, I also have the option of resto/balance, so I'm not being pigeon-holed into anything, though I find balance boring, so I will not respec into that tree. If I want to tank, I tank. If I want less responsibility I heal. If I want to do insane dps, I have cat form. The class has versatility that you're intentionally ignoring for the sake of arguing, stupidly I might add. If you have no interest in resto/balance, that's fine, but don't try minimalizing the class because you don't like two of the options. With that logic, why go warrior or rogue when you can play a paladin or shaman? Yet two more classes capable of fulfilling all three roles, and doing a better job of it. Prot pally > prot warrior and unless I just get grouped with stupid rogues (which is definitely a possibility) enh shammy > sub rogue.

If anything, warriors and rogues are watered down considering they're basically one-trick ponies. Though it sounds like it, this isn't me saying rogues and warriors suck. I have one of each, though I found them to be boring because I am pigeon-holed into one form of play, to use your words. If someone wants a pure dps class then woohoo, have fun with your rogue. If they want tanking and dps as an option great, go warrior. I want all three, that is why I have a druid. In this game, every class has strengths and weaknesses rendering some classes more viable for certain situations than others. It will be a long time before resto druids are asked to MT heal in raids, so why wouldn't they all just reroll priests? Because they want versatility. I know I have already said this, but you asked again which leads me to believe you did not actually notice it the first time. So I'll say it again, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE HOW WE PLAY.

Btw, you asked again, ironically so have 800 other people. Go necro one of those threads if you want to troll.

02/19/2012 12:37 AMPosted by Darbathius

Your first mistake is assuming the "watered down" thing.

Not quite sure why someone would interpret it any other way....

You mean you're not sure why someone wouldn't interpret it your way. This is also your stance regarding the option of playing a druid, which is why you posted; you want everyone to see things your way. Thankfully we don't. I can imagine how much fun your version of WoW would be, bunch of rogues and warriors running around vanishing and mobilizing (seriously, wth do you mean by warrior mobility) all the time, with no healers because the god that is you has no interest in healing. Sixth x-pac maybe? I say we call it Ashes of Stalinia. In Soviet Russia game plays you.

You're kind of dumb, and your arguments hold no ground considering things are still changing. We do things differently than warriors and rogues. It'll continue to be that way.


Stop thinking you play the class, because it's obvious you don't :P

*Aurial's block of text crits you for 1,000,000,000 damage (999,999,999 overkill)*

You play a rogue. Who apparently has no vision outside the basic understanding of "this button does 1337 damage, I am uberz"

Druid are utility, feral tanks are a healer's best friend. And they can buff the raid, avoid damage through epic dodge, and generally are amazing multi mob tanking abilities. The new talents just add to our utility with an AoE grab and off heal ability. I have a warrior. Used to raid with him exclusively. I like my Druid more for utility and play style. It's a personal choice. You wouldn't understand

02/19/2012 12:04 AMPosted by Darbathius

Why not just roll a warrior/rogue at this point?

What a stupid question.

The others have answered far better than I'll attempt to, no need to repeat their excellent points.

I've played Rogue. It was boring.

Warrior would be even more boring to me. I hate being a one-trick pony.

Being a Bear is FUN! Being a kitty is fun! Popping travel form and outrunning those dumb, slow Warriors is fun! Taking away a Rogue's ability to stealth and making them helpless is FUN! Rooting people and healing myself and skullbashing casters (and huntards) and clawing the crap out of everyone is FUN!

02/19/2012 01:08 AMPosted by Hooves

The "watered down" argument hasn't been true since like, TBC. Bears and kitties bring different utilities to their group than prot warriors and rogues.

Very true in PvE where basically you only need like 5 abilities and no CC.

Because they dont have furs!

02/19/2012 09:00 AMPosted by Munkï

*Aurial's block of text crits you for 1,000,000,000 damage (999,999,999 overkill)*

In mop its gonna be 1000 MEGA damage! :D

Can a warrior go invis? no
Can a rogue tank? no
Can a warrior sprint? no
Can a rogue root? no
The list goes on
Neither 1 of them can heal others or use anything like Tranq, they dont have a battle rez, and you can switch to range if you get really bored or mele gets a nasty nerf. And for Feral being seperated in to two specs THANK GOD. You think you lost some great utillty in pvp because you cant have a bear spec 2? you have Obviously not read then talents and looked at the talent trees. 6min CD of being a full out tank/resto for 45sec OP. Healing other without leave ktty form, and now they can balance out the pvp/pve, this is why your not a developer.

You play a given / class spec because that's what appeals to you. Not because of what the actual buttons are.

Aurial you rock! :P

02/19/2012 01:50 AMPosted by Aurial

As for bears not shifting to caster for fear of stuns, I had no idea prot warriors were stun immune, thanks for the tip.

Warriors aren't immune to stuns. Sometimes druids shapeshift to get out of slows, or to apply thorns, or to use cyclone, etc. All of those require leaving bear form. If you get stunned when you aren't in bear form you lose all of your mitigation. That is something a warrior does not have to do.

02/19/2012 01:50 AMPosted by Aurial

The class has versatility that you're intentionally ignoring for the sake of arguing, stupidly I might add.

I am looking at this in more of a pvp perspective. I rolled a druid because I could take the roll of a tank at a moments notice (without being restricted to a 6 minute cooldown) or switch to cat when it isn't needed.

What is the point of going into bear form when you are feral specced in MoP? You gain next to no survivability. Might as well stay cat form and do as much damage as possible as you die. So in other words feral spec will be a watered down version of rogues. Unable to combat stealth and unable to tank damage because bear form will be pathetic if not in guardian spec.

02/19/2012 01:50 AMPosted by Aurial

So I'll say it again, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE HOW WE PLAY.

I chose the class because cat and bear form intrigued me. Since I am not interested in resto/balance I am being pigeon-holed into choose cat form OR bear form. That is completely defeating the purpose of why I chose the class to begin with.

I want to do both. I could live with being a watered down version of rogues/warriors because I could perform both roles. Now they are stripping that away and leaving it a hollow spec.

Feral is ALMOST as good as a rogue, but without the survivability and combat stealth.
Guardian is ALMOST as good as a warrior, but without the mobility and control (without having to put yourself in a vulnerable position).

If they buff feral to compensate for the loss of bear form, why not just go rogue? Whatever compensation they give to the feral will be a watered down version of a rogue ability (See: Displacer Beast vs Vanish)

02/19/2012 03:08 PMPosted by Darbathius

I want to do both. I could live with being a watered down version of rogues/warriors because I could perform both roles. Now they are stripping that away and leaving it a hollow spec.

Okay, so just delete your Druid. You obviously don't "get it" anyway. Stick with your huntard, I'll look forward to seeing you on the MoP battlefields;)

02/19/2012 03:37 PMPosted by Tobiastomp

I want to do both. I could live with being a watered down version of rogues/warriors because I could perform both roles. Now they are stripping that away and leaving it a hollow spec.

Okay, so just delete your Druid. You obviously don't "get it" anyway. Stick with your huntard, I'll look forward to seeing you on the MoP battlefields;)

What do I not get?

There is little point shifting out of your designated form in MoP.

Bear will be next to worthless as a feral spec
Cat will be next to worthless as guardian spec

If you have no reason/perk to shapeshift out of your primary form you are just a watered down version of a rogue/warrior.