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Garrosh forms his own war-tribe.....
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Although I have a feeling we're already go to see something from him, I say make Garrosh an antagonist. The thing is, although Thrall trusted him enough to make him leader of Horde, Garrosh and Thrall have always butted-heads towards the direction of the Horde. Garrosh embodies the old, barbaric ways of the Horde that strives for power and conquest. We've already seen him disagree with the Trolls and butting-heads with the Undead, and the relationship with the Tauren is a big 'meh'. We could easily find Garrosh defecting, taking all the people who disagree with Thrall's peaceful ways, and forming his own war-tribe. If not a major villain, make him and his faction quest fodder.
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Antagonist =/= Villain.
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True, but I reckon Garrosh qualifies as both. He treats players like something he sc%!#!d off his boot and has nearly gotten my character killed on at least one occasion. And he's obviously a villain -- just go to Ashenvale, or Stonetalon, or Southshore, or Gilneas, or the Twilight Highlands... |
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*scratches head* While Garrosh may be a very aggressive and vicious/ruthless character, he's a very refreshing character from all the bland, neutral-biased nobility that we have been spoonfed since BC and Wrath. But... I will also say that more characters could fulfill that role and be better characterized for it without becoming evulz. It sort of numbs the pain of Garrosh being axed for people that wanted to see him mature as a character rather than get axed. |
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Edited by Jaelara on 2/21/12 7:15 PM (PST)
Stonetalon would be a better example of "nobility" if Garrosh and his lieutenants weren't committing far worse deeds far and wide across Azeroth.
To me what's "boring, repetitive, and regressive" is watching yet another Horde war criminal get away from their crimes scot-free because "petty differences" or "That Slaughter was TOTALLY HONORABLE you guys." Tho I would agree that having him break off and form his own war band would be dumb. I'd rather just see him die to Varian or another Alliance hero in a skirmish sometime in the closing chapters of Pandaria. |
The Stonetalon storyline: Garrosh: "SLAUGHTER ALL WHO OPPOSE US!!1!" Krom'gar: "Okay." *Slaughters all who oppose him.* Garrosh: "OMGWTF WHY YOU KILL THOSE PEOPLE!!1?!" Krom'gar: "But... you said..." Garrosh: *Cliff kick.* He sowed the thunder and was shocked when he reaped the whirlwind.
I can respect this. The problem with Garrosh, though, isn't that he's a warmonger. It's that he has no believable motivation for doing so. I love Varian, because for all his rage and racism, he's got good reasons for feeling as he does. But Garrosh has no reason to hate the Alliance aside from the fact that they're there, so he just comes across as a bully. I'm not against the Horde going full on the aggressive against the Alliance, or faction tensions ramping up. But Garrosh is so, so the wrong way to do it. |
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Edited by Mayane on 2/21/12 7:54 PM (PST)
If thrall is coming back as a warchief, i can really see Garrosh taking control of another clan, as a mate for Zaela, and leader of the Dragonmaw. I dont see him going too far from Thrall anyways, and I dont see him as stupid as to confront him after being pretty much the Aspect of Earth for a moment.
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I called you out on this in the other thread, you didn't answer me then, please do so now. Besides the Rageroar, what's been so terrible? The Stonetalon storyline: He didn't tell him to slaughter everyone, he told him to take the area. For the resources. which he pretty much destroyed in the process of taking the area. Moreover, Krom'gar killed his own people and used a superweapon on a nonmilitary target. That's reason enough to kill him. |
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Edited by Xervish on 2/21/12 8:46 PM (PST)
He didn't tell him to slaughter everyone, he told him to take the area. This argument totally fails to take into account Garrosh's rhetoric and overall scheme. Everything he does is from the perspective of crushing all who oppose him and world conquest. "You will serve the Horde or be crushed beneath it." That's a pretty clear message. It's not "you will server the Horde or be crushed beneath it, unless you're a noncombatant." Heck, in Northrend, we see him actually directly arguing that killing children is a viable strategy. And if someone fails to kill a sufficient number of Alliance, they get executed, as we see in the Southern Barrens. Granted, that commander was craven and incompetent and probably deserved what he got, but the point remains that a Horde commander is under tremendous pressure to perform. Maybe Garrosh didn't actually mean to slaughter every enemy man, woman, and child, but he never gave the slightest indication that wasn't his intention until it was already too late. I don't think Garrosh is directly responsible for what happened in Stonetalon, but he was indirectly responsible. He created the culture of the Horde leadership, he vetted and selected Krom'gar for the mission, he placed the pressure of conquer or die upon his underlings' shoulders. |
Fail arguement, Gar'dul tried to kill the guy replacing him, and was killed for starting something he couldn't finish. "You will serve the Horde or be crushed beneath it." That's a pretty clear message. It's not "you will server the Horde or be crushed beneath it, unless you're a noncombatant." Heck, in Northrend, we see him actually directly arguing that killing children is a viable strategy. 1. It's a metaphor. For gods sakes, why does everyone take everything he says literally, when ANY OTHER CHARACTER EVER can say similar things and no one bats an eye. 2. People can change their minds GASP |
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2. People can change their minds GASP I'm pretty sure he even stated it was due to his time with Saurfang that he began to see things in a different light. |
Yeah, and he actually has a track record of never letting people know he respects them, his internal monologues are just so -bizzare- that way. Of course, Blizzard will retcon all this to say he was really evil all along and they'll kill him in Pandaria and Thrall will come back and the Forsaken will still eat kittens. |
Also, Garrosh will have been behind Thrall's kidnapping in the Lost Isles. |
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Thrall should attempt to come back and retake the warchief mantle; however, Garrosh, revealed to have been corrupted by the old gods, refuses and they fight. Thrall gets an upper hand, but, once again, can't bring himself to kill Garrosh. Garrosh takes this opportunity to break Thrall. At this point, a kor'kron rushes in attempting to save Thrall, only to be cut down easily. Thrall, as a result of this display, sums up his strength and kills Garrosh. Thrall's broken body is placed on an enchanted throne where he uses his recently discovered connection with the earth to aid the horde as a whole.
It shall be known as the Garrosh Not-Cool-Bro |
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Edited by Jaelara on 2/22/12 12:25 AM (PST)
Check the thread again. I did. And it's nothing I haven't said before either. |
"What part of 'victory or death' don't you understand?" This seems pretty clear-cut to me.
I don't see a lot of evidence to back up this claim. All of Garrosh's actions seem to indicate he's speaking literally.
And his troops were supposed to know he'd changed his mind how? He never said anything about honor or mercy until after Krom'gar already massacred those people.
As much as I'm all for making Garrosh a villain and all for blaming everything but the common cold on the Old Gods, I don't see the need for Garrosh to be corrupted by them necessarily. Why can't he just be a horrible, selfish person? |
