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Slightly off topic here. But when ever some follows "Gold is not hard to make" with "blah blah blah AH farm" I can only roll my eyes and think "not another one".

Playing the AH is not some lottery ticket to making a fortune. Yes, for many it is, but ask yourself this.... if everyone you told to AH farm actually went and did it... how much gold would you make then?

Profitability from the AH requires plenty of buyers in niche markets, and little competition. If everyone did it, no one would make a copper.

That being said, there are still plenty of other ways to make gold in-game.

What cracks me up about the epic gem debate, is the true hardcore raiders cleared heroic DS without them (certainly not in every slot), meaning they aren't needed. While for those still working the content, the problem is not enrage timers/mana/regen etc, it's execution. Thus the epic gems wont make a noticeable difference... unless overnight the entire raid went from full blue gems to full epics, but even then, it would be minimal.

So epic gems come down to how dedicated you are to getting the most out of your character, and I suppose bragging rights.

^^

This post right here pretty much states it.

Do you need them? No. Will they make or break the raid? No. Are they better than blues? Yes. If you get them should you use them? Depends if you need the gold or not. Should you buy them? Only if you have tens of thousands of gold to spend and want to brag.

Bold text is my highlight.

Yeah, that last part is so me. Hey look me, everybody! I can kill Heroic Morchok! Wheeeeeeee!
...yeah, no. That's not even remotely close to how it is.

The fact is that some players are willing to spend the gold to get the most out of their character. That's it.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with bragging. Do you think people with 20 or more epic Gems sit in front of the AH steps and demand that passersby /inspect them? Of course not.

Further, recall how many times you've read a thread started by someone lamenting that something in the game is, "not fair." PvP, class balance, raiding, pick one. The majority of the time, you click that person's Armory and discover that they aren't using good Gems or enchants...if they're bothering to use any at all.

It all comes down to how much you are willing to put into your character. And by extension, your teammates. Choosing not to use the best stuff is exactly that...a choice. Blizzard could put epic Gems on a vendor for 25 silver apiece and some people still wouldn't use them.

What's wrong with that? If someone wants to just run normals epic gems are completely unnecessary.

I'm not talking about the gold part, even though gold is extremely easy to make, I'm talking about the nerf part of the quote. I added the 2-3k so others could see most of it other than "the 10% nerf" lol.

02/29/2012 01:02 PMPosted by Miz

All I read was "I am an elitist, and feel only we hard cores should have access to purple gems". I stopped reading halfway through.

02/29/2012 12:43 PMPosted by Greyhide

Oh, but the elitists and elitist-wannabes will tell you that you shouldn't be raiding!

Can both of you please explain exactly what you think the word "elitist" means? Implying that, all else equal, someone who works harder and invests more into his/her toon is going to be a more successful raider is not "elitist" in any sense of the word. In fact, their whole point has been that ANYONE and EVERYONE can do this. That's the complete opposite of the definition of elitism.

Since when did the word "elitist" come to mean anybody that invests time and effort into their toon (or anything, for that matter)? And why are we trying to label that as a bad thing?

Seriously, this word needs to go the way of Old Yeller.

Oh that's easy...according to people like them, an "elitist" is anybody who actually Gems their sockets, enchants their gear, Glyphs their spellbook, and doesn't blame their children for the fact that they can't move out of fire.

Watch out Aud, you're a no-lifer if you have time to read up on your class/encounters/etc.

Can both of you please explain exactly what you think the word "elitist" means? Implying that, all else equal, someone who works harder and invests more into his/her toon is going to be a more successful raider is not "elitist" in any sense of the word. In fact, their whole point has been that ANYONE and EVERYONE can do this. That's the complete opposite of the definition of elitism.

Since when did the word "elitist" come to mean anybody that invests time and effort into their toon (or anything, for that matter)? And why are we trying to label that as a bad thing?

Seriously, this word needs to go the way of Old Yeller.

Do you really need someone to tell you what a common word means? An elitist is someone who thinks they're the cream-of-the-crop. Mostly 40 year old prima donnas who still live with their parents and have to feel like people in video games should bow down to them. I've met tons. A couple of my all-time favorites:

-A guy in FFXI who claimed that this one entire continent was "his turf." If you wanted to camp a rare monster, you were required to "ask his permission." The sad part is, there were a LOT of people who bought into it and believed it to be true. If you were like me and just laughed and camped anyway, you were considered stupid beyond belief.

-A guy in this game who became guild-less at some point and actually went to some guild's websites to apply. Telling the guilds they needed to write out in full detail why their guild deserved to have him as a member.

02/29/2012 01:45 PMPosted by Greyhide

Do you really need someone to tell you what a common word means?

You don't post here very often do you?

Elitist and casual get abused more in DnR than in General. The examples you listed is the normal definition- but there are plenty of "casual" (read: bad) posters who seem to think spending 5 minutes googling something means you live in a basement with no life, job, or deoderant.

Can both of you please explain exactly what you think the word "elitist" means? Implying that, all else equal, someone who works harder and invests more into his/her toon is going to be a more successful raider is not "elitist" in any sense of the word. In fact, their whole point has been that ANYONE and EVERYONE can do this. That's the complete opposite of the definition of elitism.

Since when did the word "elitist" come to mean anybody that invests time and effort into their toon (or anything, for that matter)? And why are we trying to label that as a bad thing?

Seriously, this word needs to go the way of Old Yeller.

Do you really need someone to tell you what a common word means? An elitist is someone who thinks they're the cream-of-the-crop. Mostly 40 year old prima donnas who still live with their parents and have to feel like people in video games should bow down to them. I've met tons. A couple of my all-time favorites:

-A guy in FFXI who claimed that this one entire continent was "his turf." If you wanted to camp a rare monster, you were required to "ask his permission." The sad part is, there were a LOT of people who bought into it and believed it to be true. If you were like me and just laughed and camped anyway, you were considered stupid beyond belief.

-A guy in this game who became guild-less at some point and actually went to some guild's websites to apply. Telling the guilds they needed to write out in full detail why their guild deserved to have him as a member.

The first made me laugh pretty hard.

02/29/2012 01:54 PMPosted by Arianity

Do you really need someone to tell you what a common word means?

You don't post here very often do you?

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but ok.

Elitist and casual get abused more in DnR than in General. The examples you listed is the normal definition- but there are plenty of "casual" (read: bad) posters who seem to think spending 5 minutes googling something means you live in a basement with no life, job, or deoderant.

There are other minor random definitions, but I think I hit the nail on the head. Reading up on something doesn't make you an elitist. Being a prima donna and condescending others does.

I didn't think my comment was that hard to understand but I get amazed almost everyday. I didn't say everyone else was. My statement was that he was a liar and I've found many liars along the way.

I'd be careful about that. There are a lot of dumb people on the internet, true- but there are legit players too.

There are people who say "omg i farm ore for 8 hours a day, so much goldz1!1", and at the same time, there are players who actually have millions of gold.

Just because they say something like gold is easy to make, doesn't put them in either category. Gold doesn't rain from the skies, but this isn't vanilla anymore- 1k g is pretty common.

02/29/2012 12:43 PMPosted by Greyhide

Oh, but the elitists and elitist-wannabes will tell you that you shouldn't be raiding!

Yeah, but people will say anything. You certainly don't need epic gems for normal modes (and i'd be surprised by anyone that did). If you call yourself hardcore, then yeah, you prolly should have em. If you're just getting into heroic modes, it's iffy (hence this thread). You can be a chill group just killing bosses, and break into heroic modes, due to the way blizzard has doned down the difficulty of normal. If you're Server first etc, and that jazz, you really probably should be.

All I read was "I am an elitist, and feel only we hard cores should have access to purple gems". I stopped reading halfway through.

You didn't read half of it. you stopped on the first line and started complaining.

02/29/2012 02:00 PMPosted by Greyhide

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but ok.

That probably came across as sarcastic, but it wasn't meant to. I really mean- you don't post here often? Because there's a lot of dumb !@#$ that gets posted, that you'd normally say "he can't even be serious"

There are other minor random definitions, but I think I hit the nail on the head. Reading up on something doesn't make you an elitist. Being a prima donna and condescending others does.

True . But like above, enough people try to twist the definition that it's worth asking. I've literally had people yell at me and call me elitist (while asking for help, no less)for finding them a guide and a politely directing them to it, because they were getting vote kicked before.

I was dumbfounded.

Hey Ari, get a life bro.

I clicked the uldum portal by accident and my hearth is on CD. :(

'Sides, i can't leave my parents' basement- 2night a week raiding requires dedication, man. Those purple pixelz are too much to give up.

02/29/2012 01:45 PMPosted by Greyhide

Do you really need someone to tell you what a common word means?

02/29/2012 01:54 PMPosted by Arianity

Elitist and casual get abused more in DnR than in General. The examples you listed is the normal definition- but there are plenty of "casual" (read: bad) posters who seem to think spending 5 minutes googling something means you live in a basement with no life, job, or deoderant.

This was my point.

Reading up on something doesn't make you an elitist. Being a prima donna and condescending others does.

Something with which I can agree. However, bringing this full circle, I fail to see how your definition applies to the posters/arguments made in this thread. In fact, to quote myself:

02/29/2012 01:02 PMPosted by Miz

In fact, their whole point has been that ANYONE and EVERYONE can do this. That's the complete opposite of the definition of elitism.

Nobody said that you can't raid unless your gear is full of epic gems. The general consensus seems to be that epic gems offer a moderate advantage over rare alternatives. The only dispute is whether or not this moderate advantage outweighs the monetary cost. With this in mind, it seems that the REAL elite in this scenario are NOT hardcore raiders, but instead those with massive amounts of gold.

To solve this problem, I propose a system of income redistribution. Perhaps a progressive tax on quest rewards or AH sales that would be used to fund some type of welfare program for the underprivileged.

Occupy Stormwind.

02/29/2012 01:54 PMPosted by Arianity

The examples you listed is the normal definition- but there are plenty of "casual" (read: bad) posters who seem to think spending 5 minutes googling something means you live in a basement with no life, job, or deoderant.

...or dictionary

I always put epic gems in my heroic (or BiS like cape) gear. Also put some epic gems in other 397 pieces I felt I wouldn't be replacing very soon.

If you're only JUST entering heroic content, epic gemming is not super important for you. But it would still help, obviously.

02/29/2012 01:44 PMPosted by Naumu

Watch out Aud, you're a no-lifer if you have time to read up on your class/encounters/etc.

I cheat; I don't read loot tables. Saves me quite a bit of time.

There are other minor random definitions, but I think I hit the nail on the head. Reading up on something doesn't make you an elitist. Being a prima donna and condescending others does.

And making assumptions about other people's lives, where does that fall in?
Because I for one would love to know how "I know fire is bad, thus I do not stand in it" equals, "living with mummy all by my lonesome".

Can anyone explain that to me? I mean the whole, "lol ur good at video games means u fail at everything else" was kind of amusing back in the early 90's, but today? In a world where gaming draws more money in than the movie industry does? Seems a bit...archaic, does it not?

Isn't it a bit counterproductive when epic gems are so rare that they are saved to use in BiS items when progression is already over? I guess most specs wanted so many red sockets but honestly as a holy priest I'd have been perfectly happy to have more blue sockets so I could not feel bad about using cheaper int/spirit gems.

The examples you listed is the normal definition- but there are plenty of "casual" (read: bad) posters who seem to think spending 5 minutes googling something means you live in a basement with no life, job, or deoderant.

...or dictionary

Reading is hard, yo!


And for those elitist edujamakated folks.Nerds.

but honestly as a holy priest I'd have been perfectly happy to have more blue sockets so I could not feel bad about using cheaper int/spirit gems.

It seems this tier Blizzard said "okay you guys like red gems so much we'll give you all red sockets on every piece of gear"

There is a whole lot of utter bull!@#$ being spouted in this thread, but ultimately while gold may be easy to get, it isn't easy enough that spending 6-10k per red gem won't dent the bank account of anyone who doesn't spend far too much time making gold and far too little actually progressing. Many hardcore players spend very little time in the game besides the time spent actually raiding - certainly not enough time to validate spending 6k per gem, or hours in alt raids at the peak of progression without actually intending to use those alts as well.

Time spent at the AH is extremely minimal, and denting the bank account isn't a big deal, because what the hell else is the point of earning gold in this game anyway? Not like having 100k sitting there in the bank is meaningful. You can either spend it on gems, BoE craftable mats, etc., or spent it on rare pets/mounts.

I suddenly feel very misanthropic after reading this. :(

Can both of you please explain exactly what you think the word "elitist" means? Implying that, all else equal, someone who works harder and invests more into his/her toon is going to be a more successful raider is not "elitist" in any sense of the word. In fact, their whole point has been that ANYONE and EVERYONE can do this. That's the complete opposite of the definition of elitism.

Since when did the word "elitist" come to mean anybody that invests time and effort into their toon (or anything, for that matter)? And why are we trying to label that as a bad thing?

Seriously, this word needs to go the way of Old Yeller.

Do you really need someone to tell you what a common word means? An elitist is someone who thinks they're the cream-of-the-crop. Mostly 40 year old prima donnas who still live with their parents and have to feel like people in video games should bow down to them. I've met tons. A couple of my all-time favorites:

-A guy in FFXI who claimed that this one entire continent was "his turf." If you wanted to camp a rare monster, you were required to "ask his permission." The sad part is, there were a LOT of people who bought into it and believed it to be true. If you were like me and just laughed and camped anyway, you were considered stupid beyond belief.

-A guy in this game who became guild-less at some point and actually went to some guild's websites to apply. Telling the guilds they needed to write out in full detail why their guild deserved to have him as a member.

you sound extremely upset and butthurt. because honestly the amount of effort you put in just to enforce the title "elitist" on that poster is way too much. what most would call "trying too hard". the guy has an opinion, so do you. let it be at that.

edit: btw since this thread has been so effectively derailed, i guess a lock is in the near future. iam an elitist fortune teller.