Topic Could someone resolve an arguement?
Microscope
Darkspear
Microscope
85 Human Warrior
5315
A guild member of mine (not going to name any names) insists that I, as a warrior tank, need to expertise cap. He says that when I am parried, the boss's swing timer is reset and i get hit again for full damage, assuming its not blocked ect.

Isnt this whats called Parry Haste, and has been out of the game for quite a while?

ive been raiding since ulduar and i have never been told i needed expertise.
Hooves
Burning Legion
Hooves
85 Tauren Warrior
6010
Edited by Hooves on 2/19/12 1:46 AM (PST)
parry hasting hasn't existed on bosses after Halion
Teenanger
Icecrown
Teenanger
85 Tauren Warrior
4135
Yeah that was a big deal in Wotlk but it's gone now
Scootaloo
Blackhand
Scootaloo
85 Troll Warrior
7615
>assuming it's not blocked

CTC cap.

Also yeah parry. Long gone.
Kaitelynn
Korgath
Kaitelynn
85 Blood Elf Paladin
5540
Doesn't happen anymore. You're perfectly fine without expertise if you don't care about squeezing out every ounce of DPS you can.
Scootaloo
Blackhand
Scootaloo
85 Troll Warrior
7615
02/19/2012 01:52 AMPosted by Kaitelynn
Doesn't happen anymore. You're perfectly fine without expertise if you don't care about squeezing out every ounce of DPS you can.


Like wiping due to enrage timers at 1%.
Kaitelynn
Korgath
Kaitelynn
85 Blood Elf Paladin
5540
Edited by Kaitelynn on 2/19/12 3:43 AM (PST)
Doesn't happen anymore. You're perfectly fine without expertise if you don't care about squeezing out every ounce of DPS you can.


Like wiping due to enrage timers at 1%.


Which likely isn't so much a problem coming from a tank as it is a problem of a DPS not pulling their weight really. Rare exceptions do happen, but few and far between. That said... yeah, getting some hit/expertise if you're constantly failing at 1-5% enrages will probably help take some pressure off.
Eflow
Nemesis
Eflow
85 Draenei Death Knight
12150
A guild member of mine (not going to name any names) insists that I, as a warrior tank, need to expertise cap. He says that when I am parried, the boss's swing timer is reset and i get hit again for full damage, assuming its not blocked ect.

Isnt this whats called Parry Haste, and has been out of the game for quite a while?

ive been raiding since ulduar and i have never been told i needed expertise.


welcome your friend to 2012 .. we've been waiting for him.
Slashlove
Kilrogg
Slashlove
85 Night Elf Druid
7325
Edited by Slashlove on 2/19/12 11:21 AM (PST)


welcome your friend to 2012 .. we've been waiting for him.


I believe you mean 2011!

You dont need hit or expertise as a tank unless you are trying to meet enrage timers.


Side nitpick - you do need hit or expertise if the encounter demands that you land a stun and that it cannot miss, or some similar requirement on any given spell/ability.

They're RARE but they do exist.
Windfuehrer
Bonechewer
Windfuehrer
85 Orc Shaman
2680
hahaha. Did he tell you you needed to defense cap too?

It's not all that unusual to get stuck in your old ways, though. Go easy on him.
Namescore
Proudmoore
Namescore
85 Draenei Shaman
1800
02/19/2012 10:26 AMPosted by Zorosblade
You dont need hit or expertise as a tank unless you are trying to meet enrage timers.

Or think having your attacks land is a damn sight more fun than miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, WOAH A HIT!
Slashlove
Kilrogg
Slashlove
85 Night Elf Druid
7325
I'm disappointed that no one else did a ..

"Looks like he's putting you under the
*sunglasses*
microscope"
Whatawaytogo
Exodar
Whatawaytogo
85 Blood Elf Death Knight
6025
02/19/2012 11:20 AMPosted by Slashlove
Side nitpick - you do need hit or expertise if the encounter demands that you land a stun and that it cannot miss


now go read your patch notes.... all interrupts are off the GCD and do not miss any more
Ahanss
Thrall
Ahanss
85 Tauren Druid
7575
Edited by Ahanss on 2/19/12 5:53 PM (PST)
Side nitpick - you do need hit or expertise if the encounter demands that you land a stun and that it cannot miss


now go read your patch notes.... all interrupts are off the GCD and do not miss any more

Stuns can miss.
And be dodged.*
And be parried.*
*if they're a melee ability
Slashlove
Kilrogg
Slashlove
85 Night Elf Druid
7325
Side nitpick - you do need hit or expertise if the encounter demands that you land a stun and that it cannot miss


now go read your patch notes.... all interrupts are off the GCD and do not miss any more


I would work on reading the English before you tell other people to read patch notes.

R.I.P., "Oh crap, HoJ missed on that Shambler, OW MY FACE".
Mcnostril
Illidan
Mcnostril
85 Tauren Warrior
7240
A guild member of mine (not going to name any names) insists that I, as a warrior tank, need to expertise cap. He says that when I am parried, the boss's swing timer is reset and i get hit again for full damage, assuming its not blocked ect.

Isnt this whats called Parry Haste, and has been out of the game for quite a while?

ive been raiding since ulduar and i have never been told i needed expertise.


In Ulduar you needed Expertise against parry haste.
ICC you didn't.
Plus, if you're ctc capped then even if they brought back parry haste then it's not as big a deal as it was b4 cap.
But, the reason ICC stam stacking existed was cuz it wasn't needed.


Stuns can miss.
And be dodged.*
And be parried.*
*if they're a melee ability

No-one cares!
At no time does a boss need to be stunned (hint*that's cuz bosses can't be stunned*hint)

Now interrupts on the other hand...the tank interrupting H-Halfus made the fight go EZ-PZ
Euliat
Gilneas
Euliat
85 Draenei Death Knight
8665
Pretty sure you could stun Sartura and should have.
Waniou
Dath'Remar
Waniou
85 Draenei Warrior
9815
Bosses are stunnable sometimes in gimmicky fights. One of the Iron Council was.
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Attack tables, CTC, diminishing returns and you!
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2489160859
Mcnostril
Illidan
Mcnostril
85 Tauren Warrior
7240
02/19/2012 10:18 PMPosted by Waniou
Bosses are stunnable sometimes in gimmicky fights. One of the Iron Council was.

Booo... Captain Awesome fails at reading the troll.
I said "at no time does a boss need to be stunned" not "at no time have they been needed".
Stunning him was a fancy interrupt.
-I hated that fight. As a warrior I never got to tank the big guy. It was always "Nose, can you grab the 2 in the back while we wipe for 3 hours due to standing in deathrune"

Euliat: I didn't play vanilla. I'm a TBC baby.

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