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So I took the plunge and went DESTRO [PvP]...
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And I love it.
When compared to affliction, destro has: 1. Much more fast paced action. 2. MF SHADOWFURY. Ranged AOE 3 second stun. Nuff said. 3. Awesome executes with 2X Shadowburn + Conflagrate. I'm getting a ton more HK's while total damage done is slightly less. 4. Imp [minion] does like 3k+ when left alone on a training dummy. Its less on a 4k resillience person, but the nice constant pressure is one less thing to worry about. Also hes a ranged DPS so its nice to have him back away from the action freecasting. 5. Bane of Havoc - When used properly can help put out pressure on a target that is out of LOS and all the way across the Arena / Map. 6. Nether Ward / Nether Protection - Great defense for anti caster. Keep it rollin... I'm still working on my CC chain, but going solo it looks like I can muster up a good 20 second chain under ideal circumstances. Even if they trink the first Fear, I can get 12+ seconds. Fear - 8 Death Coil - 3 Fear - 4 Fear - 2 Shadow Fury - 3 Anyone else recently go Destro? Any success / failure stories? Any good places for tips? I searched youtube and their isnt many vids out there for tips / tactics. |
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Imp spec eh?
Try this spec: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#Vc02!!Se!PhgSeeVegd!U For prime glyphs, Immo and Conflag are must haves. Third can be either Shadowburn (burst) or Imp (sustained damage) Usually, my cc chain goes like this: Shadowfury Fear Fear Coil Fear Spell Lock Shadowfury Althought it is depends on what is going on at that moment.. Armory "Fingoifin" Went 2200 as destro in 5? different comps this season alone, 3v3. |
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Usually, my cc chain goes like this: EDIT: I added CC times to your list. So using the Felhunter over the Imp can get you a full rotation of CC right back to shadowfury, or cant this be done while using the Imp and sacrificing the spell lock? My brain is too tired but the 20 sec CD on Shadowfury starts right on its application [ I believe], so: Shadowfury - 3 Fear - 8 Fear - 4 Coil - 3 Fear - 2 is 20 seconds right there, and Shadowfury should be off CD by then to allow another application of Shadowfury - 3. Also, thanks for the Fingoifin link. |
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I was thinking about doing the switch from Aff pvp to either destro or demo, just to switch things up. Do you like it that much more?
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I still run Aff as main and I replaced Demo with Destro as my 2nd spec. I'm still getting the 'feel' for Destro, but it is a nice refreshing change from the monotony that is known as Affliction. Demo I felt like a brick wall throwing large, long casts and getting quick self deaths while getting trained outside of demon. [heck, even as demon you can go down pretty quick. I focus meta locks in BG's just cause its fun to take the big purple guy down] Funny thing as Destro... most people I think just assume you are Affliction until they see your big purple wall of death known as Shadowfury. Once that goes off, they seem to start running from you instead of towards you... :) |
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I'm still working on my CC chain, but going solo it looks like I can muster up a good 20 second chain under ideal circumstances. Even if they trink the first Fear, I can get 12+ seconds. I run Demo but of course im not 85 yet. What I like to do is Start off the fight, then Hand of Guldan (3 second root) Glyphed Fear 3-5 seconds ( they stay inside the Hand of guldan ) Stunned for 3 seconds ( Hand of guldan) Horror for 3 seconds Fear again. Never takes that long though at my lvl. Also I find myself Rarely using Howl of Terror because of the cast time, If i have multiple enemies on me It will usually get interrupted >.< |
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Never takes that long though at my lvl. Also I find myself Rarely using Put your hearthstone on your cast bar. It's always the best casting your hearth in a BG only to have it interrupted by every noob out there. Why? It doesn't lock you out of your spells..... :) 1. /cast Hearthstone 2. wait for incoming wave of interrupts 3. /cast howl of terror [freely] 4. profit |
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One word why destro is garbage comapred to Afflic in any type of good PvP.
Dispell. Destro needs immo to be up and has 0 dispell protection. They take that off and suddenly your destro spec is worthless and you hit like a wet noodle. Switching things up and doing random pug BGs where half the people in there are in PvE gear and only do BGs because they cant PvP is fine. But if you want to do arena or RBGs keep your Afflic spec. |
One word why destro is garbage comapred to Afflic in any type of good PvP. "Good" is a completely subjective word no matter how or where it is used, even outside of WoW. Rated content would fit better. I agree with you though. |
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Well if you use impy(which i would if i went destro) then you have burning embers to sort of protect immolate :P
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• CoE
• Shadowfury • Immolate (reforged to haste just for this) • Fear • Corruption • Agony • Whenever fear ends, Conflag • Incinerate/Death Coil, or if they trinket out of the speed decrease, instant Death Coil • Kite + fel flame, instant soulfire, shadowburn Done, unless you're being wailed on by someone else. |
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Never takes that long though at my lvl. Also I find myself Rarely using Yeah... this doesn't really work too well because any damage at all stops your hearth cast, and if you have melees swinging on you you are probably diseased, bleeding, or getting dual wielded(fast attacks) on. Furthermore, the cast bar says Hearthstone, so anyone with eyes won't kick your hearthstone, especially since it ends the instant it starts. On the other hand, Hearthstone used to work amazing as a shaman or druid against a ranged interrupt like counterspell or spell lock, because the hearthstone animation and the nature school healing animation were the same. Again, because the cast bar says Hearthstone, it just doesn't work anymore. |
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I play around as destro in bg's when bored, it can be quite fun. Lots of fun getting revenge for KB's from melee. Sweet sweet burst.
Like someone pointed though, Immo being dispellable is a big thing you have to watch for, mostly in bg's (when I say bg's I mean random bg's) it just gets left, but you do need to watch for healers dispelling. When they do I'll usually try and put as much pressure as I can on the healer. |
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I'm Destro in pvp and it's definitely a nice change of pace from aff. Healers, of course, are my sworn enemy but if my team's too stupid to target them I just keep them out as long as possible with 3 fears then shadowfury then death coil THEN arcane torrent.
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I've been destro pvp ever since 4.2. It was definitely tougher back then, but with the buffs, it really makes it that much more enjoyable. Last week a poorly geared warr and rogue tried to rush me. 12 seconds later both of them dead. As for fail stories, I'm still trying to get used to having so much CCs. I've always ran with my felhunter, but recently tried out the succubus for better survivability against melee. Definitely check out Drakedog on youtube he does magic with his succubus. |
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Edited by Erinyes on 2/22/12 1:18 PM (PST)
Well, I've actually been mostly destro for pvp since BC and have always had fun with it for the most part. Was even rather successful doing destro/resto shaman in wrath. However, I must say that I have been least pleased with the cata model overall.
A few things to and note keep in mind, the lack of dispel protection can be murder. Good/geared Resto shamans especially have no problem rendering you nearly useless. Watch out for that tremor too and blast it with a fel flame. Truthfully though, any healer is going to give you issues due to this which is one of the big reasons affliction is so much better. In bg's its better to just run them off or get help if you can. Don't ever chase em, you waist to much time. And a tip on fear; it is generally pointless on your primary target unless used as an interrupt or you need a moment to bandage. It breaks too fast when under direct fire. To that end, also be careful with Havok on your focus if you are trying to control them, you can break fear here if you aren't careful. I also feel like ISF is extremely clunky. That is just a personal opinion though and I do feel the same about ISF in a raiding environment. Doesn't ruin the spec but it just feels wonky. My personal pet preference is the imp. You can use him to remove strangulate, fear, shadow fury, deep freeze, snares and plenty of other troublesome little things that can end you. He also provides good damage and instant soul fire procs. However, I also feel shackled to him at times. In BC I sacced my imp and didn't really use a pet, but I had the option to use any I so chose, even using him as a mana battery. In wrath I often switched between the voidwalker for his shield, the succy for the seduction or the pup for dispelling and silences. I really don't feel we have that kind of a mix available to us right now. Granted, this is being for the most part addressed with MoP, so I can't complain too much. But my point is really this. Eight percent increased damage is pretty big, and unless we want to take a default self inflicted nerf we have to cast soul fire. If you use all of your shards on soul fire, you have non for pet summons, if you use anything other than the imp, you have no proc. The only other choice is hard casting, and under most situations that just isn't an option. So in this respect, I really feel stuck with the imp and often miss my ranged silence, offensive despell or seduction. (Sorry blueberry, your shield cant take a hit these days) And one thing about crowd controls. Don't stack them! I don't know how many times I've been hit from behind with shadow fury straight into a death coil. Watch the duration, then try to follow it rather than stack it. :P |
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I run as affliction in unrated battlegrounds but destruction sounds like fun. I really miss my Netherward when PvPing.
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