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I know this is a pretty talked about subject when it first came out but most enchanters (MOST) agree that it is a bit unfair for others to make a profit from your profession and yours only. To counter this I usually need everything I can just to disenchant it. Yes, its a bit rude but I have enchants to make. here are 2 suggestions on how to make it a bit more "Fair".


We have seen this in the LFR, so why not add it for Enchanters? When choosing to disenchant an item, any eligible* enchanters in the part should recieve a bonus roll** on the item.

*Eligibility is determined on if the enchanter is leveled high enough in enchanting to disenchant the item themselves.
**Bonus roll of 25, not 100. Make it still possible for others to win but make it more likely for enchanters to come away with it.

Another idea I had is to make disenchanting proc in dugeons. Lets say the Enchanter is a Mage. The Warrior tank wins the disenchant roll and receives a heavenly shard. This causes a proc to happen which also gives the enchanter a heavenly shard*.

*Yes I do realize this are several flaws in this idea but it's an idea none the less.
Flaw 1: This method could be used to farm excess enchanting mats fairly easily.
Flaw 2: If there are 2 enchanters in the group, then who receives the procs.

Let me know what you guys think!

You're a miner.

That's a bit irrelevant. My mage is my enchanter.

without the rest of the group in attendance, it is extremely unlikely that you would be in a position to de things off of the bosses in instances/raids. the warrior in your group gets a chance at "your" shard because, without the warrior, it would be no one's shard as the boss that dropped the loot you are de'ing would still be alive. no one is making money off of your profession, everyone is reaping the benefits of a group effort. selfish much?

If by "most" you mean those that have no clue, then yes, "most" do think it is unfair. The enchanters that know what they are doing love the DE function in dungeons. Dead subject is dead.

02/20/2012 10:19 AMPosted by Deelish

Another idea I had is to make disenchanting proc in dugeons. Lets say the Enchanter is a Mage. The Warrior tank wins the disenchant roll and receives a heavenly shard. This causes a proc to happen which also gives the enchanter a heavenly shard*.

It shouldn't be an automatic proc. However if you have the guild perk to get extra mats this should work in lfr and dungeons as well. You get the bonus one from your guild perk and the winner of the roll gets the de'd one.


Also, it would be nice if when looting while solo, enchanters had a setting to auto-DE loot. Not sure if it should be a toggle or if they would get a window popping up on loot saying, "keep item de item" and push one button or the other. But at least give some little benefit for quality of life in exchange for having to share your profession for free.


edit: to the people saying, "do it yourself or share" I don't remember anywhere in the OP where he said he should have sole access to the items that drop. Not once was this suggested. Just suggested that his profession not get shared to auto de the loot if another person wins it. You're right, non-enchanters helped kill the boss. The loot they drop is open to anybody. But the ability to auto-DE a piece of loot you won when you aren't an enchanter....thats a different story.

Or give enchanters the option to opt out of disenchanting items for others. Only show the Disenchant icon for the enchanter. Greed for the rest.

02/20/2012 10:56 AMPosted by Drakulich

without the rest of the group in attendance, it is extremely unlikely that you would be in a position to de things off of the bosses in instances/raids. the warrior in your group gets a chance at "your" shard because, without the warrior, it would be no one's shard as the boss that dropped the loot you are de'ing would still be alive. no one is making money off of your profession, everyone is reaping the benefits of a group effort. selfish much?

It's not really being selfish. Besides doing dungeons/destroying the AH it is really hard to gather mats for professions. Questing works for a while but eventually runs out. Most rely on dungeons for mats. It's not like I am demanding skins/cloth drops off mobs, just a choice to keep d/e to myself. It is MY profession after all. I leveled it up.

Nope. Enchanters deserve the same chance at loot that everyone else has.

You are not a special snowflake. You do not deserve more loot than everyone else.

02/20/2012 10:59 AMPosted by Chigurh

If by "most" you mean those that have no clue, then yes, "most" do think it is unfair. The enchanters that know what they are doing love the DE function in dungeons. Dead subject is dead.

This.

As a max level enchanter, I'm glad that everyone has a chance to roll 'DE' on an item. Makes enchant mats much more prevalent. Before this option, everyone still rolled on what they could, but instead of DE'd and the enchanter mats up on the auction house (driving down AH prices), they just got vendored.

Lower supply = higher prices for mats/higher supply = lower prices. Trust me, this is much better.

If you are selling mats on the AH, rather than the enchants you worked hard to get, your doing it wrong. Enchants almost always go for more than the raw materials. If, by chance, the enchant is currently less than the mats, it is a temporary market dislocation. Wait it out and it will return to normal in a couple days. Enchanting is easily my most profitable profession.

On two toons where I'm an enchanter on, I couldn't care less.

02/20/2012 10:19 AMPosted by Deelish

To counter this I usually need everything I can just to disenchant it. Yes, its a bit rude but I have enchants to make.

02/20/2012 11:36 AMPosted by Deelish

It's not really being selfish. Besides doing dungeons/destroying the AH it is really hard to gather mats for professions.

You should probably drop it.. you are making yourself look bad here. What you are doing is rude (as you admit), and selfish (as you should admit).

The current system does a great job of increasing the supply of enchanting materials in the economy (which are still in good demand). Why you are advocating a lower supply, and higher prices is beyond me (that would "destroy the AH" as you call it or something).

02/20/2012 11:36 AMPosted by Deelish

Most rely on dungeons for mats.

Those who are doing it wrong maybe. Everything I get in a dungeon run is extra.

02/20/2012 11:36 AMPosted by Deelish

it is really hard to gather mats for professions

It's no harder, it's not like if it was only need/greed that you'd have some better chance of getting it. You only had a 20% chance to begin with regardless of the disenchant button being there.

Old dead horse is tired.

Auto-disenchant was added so that people would stop bugging enchanters to d/e the crap they won. Would you rather go back to that? Of course you can say no to the trades but people will still be bugging you :)

By the way, if you're an enchanter you should never be hitting the disenchant button. It doesn't give the extra material guild bonus that you have a chance at getting if you just greed/need the item and disenchant it yourself.

PS. Three of my alts are max level enchanters. I've found it to be one of the easier professions to level with great money making abilities (without even trying) at cap.

Most rely on dungeons for mats. It's not like I am demanding skins/cloth drops off mobs, just a choice to keep d/e to myself. It is MY profession after all. I leveled it up.

You rely on dungeons for enchanting materials, and you want to keep the materials to yourself.

The solution is simple (and obvious): run dungeons by yourself.

I bet OP complained when they put enchanting mats on the JP vendors too.

Nah, I bet he's been Justice- and Honor-capped for months.

02/20/2012 12:31 PMPosted by Kektonic

I bet OP complained when they put enchanting mats on the JP vendors too.

No I did not.

To counter this I usually need everything I can just to disenchant it. Yes, its a bit rude but I have enchants to make.

It's not really being selfish. Besides doing dungeons/destroying the AH it is really hard to gather mats for professions.

You should probably drop it.. you are making yourself look bad here. What you are doing is rude (as you admit), and selfish (as you should admit).

The current system does a great job of increasing the supply of enchanting materials in the economy (which are still in good demand). Why you are advocating a lower supply, and higher prices is beyond me (that would "destroy the AH" as you call it or something).

They said the economy would be destroyed with the pets from the store you could buy from the store and then sell in the AH. This did not happen. The prices for enchanting mats drop very low on my server compared to other professions (JC, LW, BS). My goal is not to raise prices for enchanting, it's just the option to make disenchanting a "Solo" perk by choice. Turn it on or off, don't matter. I am not asking to trash the whole auto party d/e thing.

Auto-disenchant was added so that people would stop bugging enchanters to d/e the crap they won. Would you rather go back to that? Of course you can say no to the trades but people will still be bugging you :)

By the way, if you're an enchanter you should never be hitting the disenchant button. It doesn't give the extra material guild bonus that you have a chance at getting if you just greed/need the item and disenchant it yourself.

PS. Three of my alts are max level enchanters. I've found it to be one of the easier professions to level with great money making abilities (without even trying) at cap.

Well, enchanters were bugged to D/E bind when equipped items, not bind when pick up. Changing this mechanic would not really change much. I still see people advertising to have greens/blues disenchanted. I do appreciate your tip. I did notice that I was not getting procs but felt that I just had bad luck.

Most rely on dungeons for mats.

Those who are doing it wrong maybe. Everything I get in a dungeon run is extra.

it is really hard to gather mats for professions

It's no harder, it's not like if it was only need/greed that you'd have some better chance of getting it. You only had a 20% chance to begin with regardless of the disenchant button being there.

Old dead horse is tired.

I should have been a bit more specific. I was talking about relying on Dungeons only, not other professions for mats. I do realize there are ways to farm up mats for items, Disenchant them, and then you have shards.

Most rely on dungeons for mats. It's not like I am demanding skins/cloth drops off mobs, just a choice to keep d/e to myself. It is MY profession after all. I leveled it up.

You rely on dungeons for enchanting materials, and you want to keep the materials to yourself.

The solution is simple (and obvious): run dungeons by yourself.

I may have given the wrong impression. I just wanted the option to allow only enchanters to disenchant items for themselves. I have seen my share or undeserving people use my profession for self benefit. As I stated before, i am not asking for this mechanic to be removed, just altered to give the choice.

*Edit* Thanks for all the input!