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How can you be this bad?
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Hey guys. Prior to hitting 85 on this toon I was under the impression that rogues beat everybody in duels. I haven't won a single duel yet and after losing to an affliction warlock (which I know firsthand rogues SHOULD beat... badly) I'm coming to the forums to ask for help.
When is the right time to use CoS and vanish? I usually end up using them when I'm being kited to hell and back and SS is on CD. Should I have cheat death in my talent build? I remember that talent constantly saving my life before but I saw that a lot of rogues didn't use it. Any other general tips for duels would be greatly appreciated as well. |
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First off, 1v1 isn't balanced (Even tho it's balanced in your favor)
Second, To be good at dueling you need to practice. A lot. And then practice some more. Thirdly, If you enchant your gear, that would give you a better chance of winning. And lastly, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2135903847 READ Hope this helps a bit, I'm on my way to bed so I can't get into much depth. |
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Edited by Shaylinn on 2/20/12 9:03 PM (PST)
This works wonders. I viewed your armory & noticed that you are lacking in the PvP department. I noticed your on the subject of Duels in particular but doing random BG's / Arena's are key to self improvement. Just keep practicing & you will get better, keep raising the bar for yourself. Edit: I see you have 33 Arena's played & 152 BG's played. You cant expect to be a Game Master with hardly any experience. |
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Edited by Grammaticz on 2/20/12 9:06 PM (PST)
Against Warlocks, and most casters, open with a Premed'd Recup, thenGarrote to silence them, build up 5 CPs (you should have 5 CPs earlier than Garrote wearing off, so pool some energy) and use a finisher. Depending on the finisher (Kidney, Eviscerate, SnD, Recup) etc. they'll react differently. If using Kidney, they'll usually Teleport out, in which case you use Shadowstep.
Always use Shadowstep when your enemy uses an ability which puts them at a greater distance from you - not for catching up to them. Usually I try and anticipate a Death Coil and save CloS for that (because a Death Coil allows them to hardcast a fear, which will further the distance between me and them) - 99% of the time, however, it's a blanket CloS that ends up soaking up Death Coil, it's very hard/nigh impossible to anticipate. Remember that for closing gaps, Deadly Throw is your friend. Make sure you have crippling up on them, and they really shouldn't be going anywhere. PS - Level 85 PvP is nothing like Pre-85 PvP as a Rogue. Our burst is heavily doused by Resilience, so using Premed'd Ambushes and Eviscerate combos, while still hard-hitting, are nowhere near as lethal as they are leveling up. And of course, obligatory: enchant your gear, gem more for straight Agility than anything else (while remaining hit capped, of course), and pick up an 8/2/31 spec for Improved Recup. Extra heals and energy per second are almost necessary. PPS - If the Warlock is Demo, Dismantle Felguard (/cast [@Focus] Dismantle), if you set him as your focus target. Second, To be good at dueling you need to practice. A lot. And then practice some more. I second this. Practice makes perfect. |
I know. I viewed your armory & noticed that you are lacking in the PvP department. I have a level 85 shaman, warlock, and death knight as well. Although I've never reached a very high rating in arena, I have been spending most of my /played time for the past 2 years sitting in battlegrounds and arenas on those characters. I guess I just didn't expect to suck so bad at playing a rogue when I hit 85, but practice does make perfect.
I know it's a bad excuse but I usually wait to enchant my gear until I have the conquest pieces for the season. I'm not made of money these days =/ |
Against Warlocks, and most casters, open with a Premed'd Recup, thenGarrote to silence them, build up 5 CPs (you should have 5 CPs earlier than Garrote wearing off, so pool some energy) and use a finisher. Depending on the finisher (Kidney, Eviscerate, SnD, Recup) etc. they'll react differently. If using Kidney, they'll usually Teleport out, in which case you use Shadowstep. Thanks for the tips. One question you reminded me about: Is eviscerate supposed to hit like a wet noodle? I always see these 20k+ backstab crits and then 6-8k eviscerates... Call me crazy but 6-8k doesn't seem like much of a "finishing" move. |
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Edited by Grammaticz on 2/20/12 9:16 PM (PST)
Eviscerate is kind of a funny move, especially with us being Subtlety (our finishing moves hitting harder...). It does feel, at times, like it hits like a wet noodle. It's more for those times in a Shadow Dance where, if your enemy is controlled, you can use it to pump out more damage and supply returned energy when you hit with it (via Relentless Strikes) which will give you even more energy for Ambushes. Because, more often than not, in your Dance, you have Recup, SnD and an on-use Agility Trinket going, so you're trying to maximize your damage output. Eviscerate's our only way of doing that. Outside of dance, it should be a whole lot less appealing. My first three finishers are almost always Recup/SnD/Kidney. |
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Don't think of vanish as a defensive move (in non-high-level warlock duels). Vanish is your chance to get a second opening.
You have decent enough gear that against most warlocks, you should be able to use cloak offensively to pound them into the ground, especially if they have already ported and/or trinketed. Pool energy, kidney shot, do damage. If they trinket it, fine, cloak + shadowdance ambush spam for 4 seconds, then vanish -> garrote or blind or whatever. If you get a good cloak + dance, they should usually be toast, especially if you get a second opener out of it. You don't even need to cloak if their how and death coil are down. I have no idea how higher-level duels go, but against any middling warlock, that should be close to a face-roll. Just practice and it should start getting easier. |
Rarely do we get an admission from an infant-rogue on just how difficult endgame rogue can be. Blizz plays a nasty prank on rogues as they level. You are in god-mode most of the time, but all that goes away once you hit 85. Like it was stated above, rogue takes alot of practice. Not just practice for your abilities, but practice and experience on how to deal with your opponents as well...and knowing how/what/when they are going to use something to counter you. Good rogues make it look easy. Stick with it...practice and get geared. Your rogue scales quite nicely with gear. Good luck and welcome to the Yellow Dot Club. |
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Edited by Sapcraklepop on 2/21/12 6:00 PM (PST)
I'm not an infant, I'm a gnome. EDIT: Now I'm a blood elf |
isnt this what we tell eveyone about rogues,... they come on the forums and tell us how easy and OP rogues are then we tell them "JUST WAIT" and poof lvl 85 then the real playing starts well its nice to see someone come to the realization that its not always all unicorns and rainbows all the time. best advice is just keep practicing and playing and dueling and running bgs,... if you want a crash course and have some people that are patient do arenas you will get better faster that way. by the way whether you stick with it or not welcome to the rogue world,... and have fun |
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Edited by Shaylinn on 2/21/12 7:29 PM (PST)
Yes you are. Dont take it personal but you are a fresh rogue & your PvP statistics show this on your armory page. I see you have 33 Arena's played & 152 BG's played. You cant expect to be a Game Master with hardly any experience. |
It was a joke. Gnomes look like infants. |
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Seeing how op rogues are right now, im starting to wonder whether Ghostcrawer switched his main to sub rogue. Thats the only reason why a class would be left this over-powered.
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>No arena teams >No RBG rating >Two Fury specs >353 ilvl and weapon-first honour gearing >Complaining about rogues being overpowered Oh, right, WoW forums, business as usual then |
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Your style... I like it.
Noooooooooooooooooo |
Posted by Sapcraklepop Alliance was fun while it lasted but horde gets instant battleground queues on my server. Alliance has to wait t(-_-t) |
