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How is it fair that holy priests have the 2 best CD's in the game ?
Divine Hymn: Best Raid CD
Guardian Spirit: Best Tank CD
I think Paladins need to get guardian spirit from priests and druids need to get the bonus healing from divine hymn attached to tranquility.
Is blizzard aware that there is more that one healing class in the game ?

I assume it's because priest is a 2/3 healing class, with only one other role being dps?

02/21/2012 10:43 AMPosted by Clàw

I assume it's because priest is a 2/3 healing class, with only one other role being dps?

Yes but no reason that 1 spec have the best tank cd and the best raid cd.

Divine Hymn is only as good as it is right now because of a band aid fix buff in 4.3.
Guardian Spirit is a mediocre tank CD since the nerf and glyph change.

Paladins have Aura Mastery, Hand of Sacrifice, the best multi tank healing (thanks to Beacon) and the best stacked raid healing (thanks for Holy Radiance).

Druids, since I assume this is a druid QQ thread, are fine, except Dragon Soul is very good at making other healers look better. Yes, Holy Priests are slightly better than Resto Druids this tier, but noone is failing to progress because druids "lack" a cooldown.

Divine Hymn: Best Raid CD
Guardian Spirit: Best Tank CD

Except that with their own CDs, H-Paladins and Resto Druids are able to match a Holy Priest's peak output with DH.

Except that even with the healing from DH factored in, H-Paladins are still doing more overall healing on average.

Except that the supposedly best tank CD doesn't even work properly on H-Madness.

I completely agree that GS and DH are powerful tools - they're the reason H-Priests are viable on 25 mans. However, even with these cooldowns, you still see H-Priests being sat for 10-man HM progression (http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Madness_of_Deathwing/10H/100/14/60/default/#1u00000). Just imagine what would happen to H-Priests if you take away the uniqueness of these CDs away from them, heh.

I don't think avenging wrath plus holy radiance even come close to divine hymn. Divine hymn is out of control right now. Even Power Word barrier is not as good. Whats worse is Lay on Hands is a one man heal on a 10 min CD. Divine Hymn is a raid wide lay on hands with a 3 minute cd. The imbalance cannot be more obvious.
The issue here is not of output but of raid cd's. There is no down side to using Divine Hymn or Guardian Spirit right now and no reason a holy priest should have both.

I don't think avenging wrath plus holy radiance even come close to divine hymn. Divine hymn is out of control right now. Even Power Word barrier is not as good. Whats worse is Lay on Hands is a one man heal on a 10 min CD. Divine Hymn is a raid wide lay on hands with a 3 minute cd. The imbalance cannot be more obvious.
The issue here is not of output but of raid cd's. There is no down side to using Divine Hymn or Guardian Spirit right now and no reason a holy priest should have both.

Go have a look at logs and examine the data before coming up with such exaggerated claims. There are also many fights where PW:B is a better cooldown than DH.

Also, is there a downside to using the other CDs that I'm not aware of? Are you also just completely ignoring the fact that GS doesn't work at all on H-Madness?

Got beat on the lolmeters.

Going to the forums.

02/21/2012 10:38 AMPosted by Holyunholy

How is it fair that holy priests have the 2 best CD's in the game ?

Because Holy has other serious issues, and the cooldowns (Divine Hymn in particular) are serving as bandaids barely large enough to staunch the bleeding of holy priests from high-end guilds.

Which is about the only place you'll find significant numbers of holy priests right now, because the spec is a mother!@#$er to play well, especially when you always have the option of lolfacerolling 2-button Disc. (Note: I'm currently lolfacerolling 2-button Disc, so I can say that.)

Get that priest to 85, and maybe you'll understand.

Glyphed barrier + pain sup > DH + GS in most situations. Or do you disagree because barrier doesn't show up on meters?

To glyph barrier, you need to give up the penance glyph or power word shield one. Plus barrier has placement limitations. The only limitation on divine hymn is the priest is stationary, but that is not a problem in DS. Holy priests do too much for a single spec. Oh and let us not forget that Holy Priests have the only AoE heal without a target cap or diminishing returns either.

Because Sanctuary heals for sooooooooo much.

Could cut my shamans Healing Rain down to a third, it would still smack down Sanctuary in a 10 man.

02/21/2012 12:18 PMPosted by Nouk

Glyphed barrier + pain sup > DH + GS in most situations. Or do you disagree because barrier doesn't show up on meters?

This.

Basically, the OP is highly undereducated when it comes to Holy Priests, but continues to make wild and flawed claims.

Or is a troll.

Anyone who thinks Holy can do too much is just...wow. Three specs in the game are better at tank healing. Holy Paladins are much stronger raid healers. Resto Druids can still edge Holy Priests out.

Holy Paladins and Disc Priests have strong tank healing CDs. A Shaman's SLT is gorgeous. Barrier can easily outstrip DH if placed correctly, if only it showed on meters, and has the benefit of being able to reduce the healing need, rather than try to catch up after devastating damage has been unleashed upon the raid. Most raids I know would rather use Pain Supp than Guardian Spirit. Tranquility is still a powerful tool.

02/21/2012 12:18 PMPosted by Nouk

Glyphed barrier + pain sup > DH + GS in most situations. Or do you disagree because barrier doesn't show up on meters?

Yes let us pop Pain Sup on the tank at 5% health. I am sure that 40% reduction will bring him up to half his health.

02/21/2012 12:33 PMPosted by Holyunholy

Yes let us pop Pain Sup on the tank at 5% health. I am sure that 40% reduction will bring him up to half his health.

Someone doesn't know how to pop a CD beforehand.

My condolences, as you see, you could've kept them from hitting 5% in the first place.

Someone doesn't know how to pop a CD beforehand.

My condolences, as you see, you could've kept them from hitting 5% in the first place.

Glad to know tanks in your raid never go below 50% health or there never are any exigencies.

Glyphed barrier + pain sup > DH + GS in most situations. Or do you disagree because barrier doesn't show up on meters?

Yes let us pop Pain Sup on the tank at 5% health. I am sure that 40% reduction will bring him up to half his health.

Why didn't you realize that the situation was going sour and use PS ahead of time?

Why can't you trust your tank healers?

Why aren't you timing tank CDs?

Just because Guardian Spirit does one thing decently (not even that well, since it can only take a blow up to 200% of the target's max health) does not mean it's overpowered.

And just because you don't understand how each cooldown is best used doesn't mean one is a god among the others.

02/21/2012 12:37 PMPosted by Holyunholy

Glad to know tanks in your raid never go below 50% health or there never are any exigencies.

Yeah, we never run into it because we have good healers and have more reliable tools than a 3 minute cooldown to same someones life.

Our absolute worst of them is on a 2 minute CD (still shorter) coming out of our Shaman.

Why didn't you realize that the situation was going sour and use PS ahead of time?

Why can't you trust your tank healers?

Why aren't you timing tank CDs?

Just because Guardian Spirit does one thing decently (not even that well, since it can only take a blow up to 200% of the target's max health) does not mean it's overpowered.

And just because you don't understand how each cooldown is best used doesn't mean one is a god among the others.

In spite of perfect planning, stuff happens in the heat of the moment such as a missed cooldown or an overlapping cooldown which can cause problems later. This happens in most raids and to most raiders, except those on this forum who claim to be perfect in every aspect of raiding.
Guardian Spirit allows you to "cheat death". For a spec which has so much going for it, it is unfair.
Plus after all this discussion my argument still stands. Holy priests have the best raid and tank CD.

Except that the supposedly best tank CD doesn't even work properly on H-Madness.

This is unfortunately an intended outcome (in general) since the 4.0.6 patch:

Guardian Spirit: The absorb/heal from this ability can now never exceed 200% of the maximum health of the target.