Topic Windwalk vs 130 agil
Furmor
Emerald Dream
Furmor
85 Night Elf Druid
4345
Sorry if this has been answered on the forums before, but I've searched for over an hour and haven't seen anything pertaining to this:

Has anyone done the math on which is better for a bear? My guild is getting ready to start Heroic DS so I'm looking to see which will give me the most survivability in the long run. Thanks in advance!
Muspel
Korgath
Muspel
85 Human Warrior
10840
130 agility.
Skyfiredraco
Skywall
Skyfiredraco
85 Human Paladin
9100
even plate tanks dont get windwalk because its great... we get it because there is literally nothing else worth having on a 1hander :-\



get 130 agi
Frankydrood
Exodar
Frankydrood
85 Night Elf Druid
6970
On my last sim I would take about .03% DTPS more with 130 agility then windwalk.

In this case windwalk was better (albeit very very little), and it really comes down to where your dodge rating is at. Run some sims and find out for yourself, because it's going to end up a case by case basis. Neither of the enchants are bad for bears, but one will always be better then the other.

(Mew has a great sim for calculating DTPS **Damage Taken Per Second**)
Hooves
Burning Legion
Hooves
85 Tauren Warrior
6010
Pretty sure TIB has a damage spreadsheet.

02/21/2012 10:35 PMPosted by Frankydrood
On my last sim I would take about .03% DTPS more with 130 agility then windwalk.
Pray tell, how much DPS would you gain when you go kitty with Windwalk?

:p
Deadclown
Frostmourne
Deadclown
85 Night Elf Druid
6305
130 agility
130 agility gives crit ap and dodge the trifecta
windwalk gives dodge and that is it.
130 agility increases kitty dps when u go kitty

see a patern 130 agility.
Arielle
Suramar
Arielle
85 Night Elf Druid
CFT
6930
Windwalk can be better on certain fights (Blackhorn, maybe Zon). But for the overwhelming majority (Yor, Ultra, Spine, Madness) 130 Agi is better.
Blasterian
Zuluhed
Blasterian
85 Blood Elf Paladin
1560
130 agi
Judgesyou
Korgath
Judgesyou
85 Human Paladin
4225
02/22/2012 12:00 AMPosted by Blasterian
130 agi


Cheaper too
Mcnostril
Illidan
Mcnostril
85 Tauren Warrior
7240
I want 130 of my best stat on my weapon.

MOMMY!!!! Make the bad men at bliz stop ruining tanking with their cr@ppy enchants
Waniou
Dath'Remar
Waniou
85 Draenei Warrior
9815
I want 130 of my best stat on my weapon.

MOMMY!!!! Make the bad men at bliz stop ruining tanking with their cr@ppy enchants


http://www.wowhead.com/spell=62257

umad?
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Attack tables, CTC, diminishing returns and you!
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2489160859
Nedeilia
Detheroc
Nedeilia
80 Blood Elf Paladin
5100
I want 130 of my best stat on my weapon.

MOMMY!!!! Make the bad men at bliz stop ruining tanking with their cr@ppy enchants


http://www.wowhead.com/spell=62257

umad?
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Attack tables, CTC, diminishing returns and you!
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2489160859


But that one is so amazing that they can't give it to us! If they did, Blizzard would have to balance around the fact that all tanks use the same weapon enchant!

...

Wait a second...
Furmor
Emerald Dream
Furmor
85 Night Elf Druid
4345
Thanks everyone!!
Findoranor
Anvilmar
Findoranor
85 Night Elf Druid
8985
The sad part about reading this forum is that you have paly's and warriors etc. commenting on druid tanking.

First of all 130 agility gives you .6 % constant dodge. .2% crit. and next to nothing in terms of ap considering 99% of ap comes from your health total. In all sims windwalk comes out ahead.

Second it depends on what tank you are. If you are a main tank then no you do not want 130 agility you want windwalk. If you are the off tank then yes go with 130 agility since you will spend most of your time in kitty form.

use www.incbear.com for information, not a palidan tank.
Dellingr
Doomhammer
Dellingr
85 Night Elf Warrior
13950
The point here is that the DTPS variance is completely marginal, but 130 agi contributes to bearcatting, which any druid worth their salt will be doing.
Arielle
Suramar
Arielle
85 Night Elf Druid
CFT
6930
02/22/2012 02:31 PMPosted by Dellingr
The point here is that the DTPS variance is completely marginal, but 130 agi contributes to bearcatting, which any druid worth their salt will be doing.

Pretty much this.
Findoranor
Anvilmar
Findoranor
85 Night Elf Druid
8985
why would a main tank ever go kitty?????????????? so they can lose all agg and ap???? Sorry if your a main tank then again you will not be going kitty. if you are a off tank then like i said you want the 130 agility.
Findoranor
Anvilmar
Findoranor
85 Night Elf Druid
8985
02/22/2012 02:31 PMPosted by Dellingr
The point here is that the DTPS variance is completely marginal, but 130 agi contributes to bearcatting, which any druid worth their salt will be doing.


I can not wait for pandaria to come out so all of you warrior tanks who cant keep agg without vigilance will shut up about bear cat tanking. Without vigilance you as a warrior tank would be nothing but a fail tank. Considering you have to have a nonstop taunt in your rotation to keep agg.
Slashlove
Kilrogg
Slashlove
85 Night Elf Druid
7325
Edited by Slashlove on 2/22/12 3:32 PM (PST)
02/22/2012 03:13 PMPosted by Findoranor
why would a main tank ever go kitty?????????????? so they can lose all agg and ap???? Sorry if your a main tank then again you will not be going kitty. if you are a off tank then like i said you want the 130 agility.


Because "main tanks" don't tank 100% of the time either.

If you're never going Kitty as a Bear for an entire instance, you're flat out doing it wrong, even if you're the only tank in the entire raid group.

These "Warriors and Paladins" know more about tanking as a Bear than you do.
Dellingr
Doomhammer
Dellingr
85 Night Elf Warrior
13950
"Main tank" is a completely dated concept in a game where even in encounters with one tank, there are dead periods where nothing tankable is up and you're just being a dps even in a tank spec (or alternatively, its a two tank encounter where you're not tanking half the time.)
I'm sorry that you think I don't know what I'm talking about, but I don't particularly appreciate you insinuating I'm terrible or an idiot when this is not the case. Additionally, I consistently talk with a large part of the bear and cat theorycraft community, and they would back me up on this particular point.

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