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It's a Mass Dispel thread.
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Its OP, i mean warriors have a 4 min CD 1.5 cast shattering throw to remove immunity. They spam it on the floor when they know you need to bubble. You can't interrupt it when its glyphed its like a 0.4 sec cast.
Not to mention spamming around the corner to dispel you before the fight. Solution: Don't let it dispel buffs ( So it wont affect PvE ) AND/OR Don't allow it to remove immunity. I know most of you are going to flame about bubbling being OP, but if your any kind of good at all, you'd know bubble has its place in PvP and paladins need it very much. |
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You can have MD if I can have HR.
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Not looking for support. Im looking for a good argument, and some good points as to why its NOT over powered. I see you are not providing this. |
Starting a thread for the purpose of inciting an argument is 100% against the ToS of the forums. I'd suggest against continuing in your efforts. |
No, Arguments are a great way of getting different opinions. I see your thinking of argument in the negative way. Shame with this community. Do you have anything to say about Mass Dispel? |
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It seems that every class has at least one talent which other classes think is overpowered.
Personally, I think Rogues are overpowered in arenas and BGs, also Mages, and of course, Druids.....and don't get me started on Warriors and freaking Huntards....not to mention Death Knights and Warlocks. You get the idea..... PS: WOG is possibly the most overpowered ability in the game, just sayin. :) |
1) it costs a bunch of mana 2) are you SERIOUSLY going to complain about TWO classes being able to dispell BUBBLE...i mean its BUBBLE, the most OP ability since vanilla...sure they nerfed it a bit with decreased dmg...but i mean honestly...did you think that they wouldnt eventually put abilities in the game that can get rid of it? QQQQ i cant be immune to absolutely everything for 15 seconds if there is a priest around.... TL:DR - honestly get over it. |
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I call my MD "bubble-be-gone".
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It seems that every class has at least one talent which other classes think is overpowered. Talkin arenas mainly, ehh WOGs strong when used on a friendly. |
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hey guys it's a priest.
let's dot him up |
The mana cost is not a big deal in PvP, Priest is in alot of comps, dont know if you pvp or not but RMP is popular. Guess my biggest complaint is you can LoS and still get hit with it. Bubble is officially balanced. only CC breaker ( besides HoS ) for a holy paladin. Panic button for a ret paladin, ( just like your desperate prayer ) expect outs is gone in 0.5 secs -.- It makes me immune for 8 secs, i go oom about 3 flashes, and my dmg reduced by 50% while im in it. And its dispelled in 0.5 secs as ive said before. We are not talking about vanilla. This is Cataclysm. |
The mana cost IS a big deal in PvP, probably even more than in PvE, because resil gear has considerably less regen on it.
Druids are also in a lot of comps, resto shaman (my main) are in alot of comps, paladins are in alot of comps. Hey! healers are viable in team compositions! I understand your frustration at this. But really this is the only way the spell can function. At least it doesnt just do it automatically (something similar to tranquility) and you have to be at least somewhat skilled at placing it.
Plus your trinket...grats...thats two more than we have.... And have i mentioned wearing plate yet?
Except if we are being focused (only reason for using desparate prayer) chances are we have a healing debuff on us which essentially completely negates desparate prayer. Not even apples and oranges, bubble wins.
If you're ret...working as intended...if you're holy...you're doing it wrong.
Which is the ONLY reason it is still in the game. Only thing that balances it. If you wanna keep going. I have time. But i can promise you in the Mass Dispell vs bubble debate mass dispell is the LAST thing that needs a nerf. |
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Edited by Kerias on 2/22/12 7:54 AM (PST)
No. 30% heal versus Immunity is not the same. A better comparison would be Pain Suppression. Mass Dispel, like Mana Burn, is our tool because we have no CC beyond Fear, which gets dispelled, canceled or trinketed. We have overt offensive abilities because we have poor escape mechanics. Just because you cannot treat a priest like every other class does not mean it is overpowered. |
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The rogue in your 3v3 team is running a hemo build; a backstab build will yield more burst, thus allowing the two of you to zerg something down a lot more quickly. I can't really comment on your setup, given that I've only leveled a paladin up to level 80. |
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No. MD, Like mana burn is my punishment inflicted on bad players who can't think without someone holding there hand and pushing the button for them. And then they go running and crying to Mommy and Daddy Dev team when we use our hand slap to stop you from pushing that button.
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I have a Paladin and a Priest. I can definitely say that Mass Dispel is extremely annoying as a Paladin. Bubble used to be one of the strongest tools in a Paladin's arsenal, but now it's rarely useful. For the most part I rarely use it on my Holy Paladin in PvP. Now that I have a Priest, I can see the other side of it. It is VERY expensive in terms of mana cost, but other than that it is very strong. I think what would make things a little more balanced is if mass dispel had a 15 second cooldown so at least it has to be timed properly or else you have to wait. I think removing its ability to dispel immunity would make it largely useless in 99% of situations. It's far too expensive to use just to dispel debuffs unless you're in the rare raid encounter that your group is clustered and dispellable debuffs are dished out.
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I wouldnt be surprised to see something like this in MoP, as they have said that interrupts and things of that nature (popping a bubble being one of them) they dont want them to be spammable. Or they will possibly be implementing some sort of "punishment" for doing it wrong. i.e Mass Dispell : normal tooltip + "If the caster fails to remove "X" (buff or debuff), then the cooldown is extended to 1 minute" or something to that effect. |
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A short cooldown on MD would probably be fine, but what you should really be asking for is divine protection to be usable while silenced or stunned (one or the other, not both).
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A new glyph perhaps?
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