Winners and Losers of the Cataclysm

90 Dwarf Warrior
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02/24/2012 11:21 AMPosted by Rhoggarn
We also got Fargo Flintlocke, a minor NPC with his own voice dialogue.


The same NPC that was put in instead of the entire Alliance Twilight Highlands intro?

I wouldn't count that as a win, my friend.


The factions don't need to be linear. The Horde needed an intro because outside of "a mage portal" how would the armies of Kalimdor reach the far end of the world?
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85 Blood Elf Warlock
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02/24/2012 11:28 AMPosted by Anvilfist
The factions don't need to be linear. The Horde needed an intro because outside of "a mage portal" how would the armies of Kalimdor reach the far end of the world?


There's a difference between linear and half-assed. Take a guess at which the Alliance got.
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90 Dwarf Warrior
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02/24/2012 11:29 AMPosted by Rhoggarn
The factions don't need to be linear. The Horde needed an intro because outside of "a mage portal" how would the armies of Kalimdor reach the far end of the world?


There's a difference between linear and half-assed. Take a guess at which the Alliance got.


So Deathwing should of been at two places at once destroying both fleets
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02/24/2012 10:20 AMPosted by Vegdrasil
And then...nothing. She vanishes from the story without a trace, as forgotten as Lor'themar Theron. Her vast potential is wasted.
You know, not all the plotlines introduced in the new 1-60 content have to be wrapped up at the same time as they're introduced. Introducing story threads for later expansions is a good way to make said expansions feel connected to the world instead of self-contained.

To put it bluntly, while some writers are gifted enough to make sure every plot thread is tied up neatly by the end of the story, WoW's writers aren't among them.

For all we know, the stories of Magatha, Neptulon, Thassarian etc. are never going to be explored further and we're just going to be left wondering what happened to them for the rest of the game.
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85 Blood Elf Warlock
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02/24/2012 11:34 AMPosted by Anvilfist
So Deathwing should of been at two places at once destroying both fleets


No, the Alliance should have gotten the intro that was originally planned. And come now, I know you're smarter than using stupid rhetoric.
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90 Dwarf Warrior
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02/24/2012 11:37 AMPosted by Rhoggarn
So Deathwing should of been at two places at once destroying both fleets


No, the Alliance should have gotten the intro that was originally planned. And come now, I know you're smarter than using stupid rhetoric.


What intro was originally planned? I havent heard of one.
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90 Pandaren Hunter
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02/24/2012 11:37 AMPosted by Rhoggarn
No, the Alliance should have gotten the intro that was originally planned. And come now, I know you're smarter than using stupid rhetoric.


You mean, Varian should have unveiled the traitorous Benedictus, not Green Jesus? Nah...it'd be cooler if we got to unmask Random Castle Solder #516-A instead.

Edit: To be a bit more thorough for the poster above, the quest chain where we follow Anduin through SW was supposed to culminate in the Cathedral with Varian unmasking Benedictus. It was changed rather late in the development process so that Thrall could get even more spot light.
Edited by Adarant on 2/24/2012 11:44 AM PST
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85 Blood Elf Warlock
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Not only that, it had Varian specifically directing the Navy captain to avoid conflict with the Horde, which would have set the tone of the Highlands being at the Twilights Hammer, instead of feeling beaten on by the Horde. The voice clips are floating around.

It would have been a great way to show Varians character developing. But we can't have that, can we?
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100 Dwarf Warrior
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02/24/2012 11:35 AMPosted by Arberus
For all we know, the stories of Magatha, Neptulon, Thassarian etc. are never going to be explored further and we're just going to be left wondering what happened to them for the rest of the game.
That's what people said about the Caverns of Time and Karazhan in Vanilla. That's what people CONTINUED to say about Uldum and Gilneas even after the Burning Crusade came out.
Edited by Vegdrasil on 2/24/2012 12:06 PM PST
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02/24/2012 11:42 AMPosted by Anvilfist
What intro was originally planned? I havent heard of one.


You can still find the voice-files on youtube, I'm trying to find it now.
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90 Worgen Hunter
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Wow, great points. I guess revamping 1-60 may have taken time away from things like Neptulon and giving the worgen player participation in both events in wolf heart and attempting to retake Gilneas with the 7th leagion. But I guess you couldnt tell the story of cataclysm without revamping all those zones to begin with. however, putting csi, rambo and a-team refrences in the human lvling areas where there was incredible potential to develope some substantial lore with regards to how succesful or unsuccseful varian and his Nobles and marshalls were doing as leaders was a mistake and a waste of time and undermined other more serious developments. I like the idea of a Royal Inspection Bureau (sort of like in curse of the worgen) and Keyshawn, but these elements needed to taken seriously which it seems the devs werent interested in doing.




That's not true, the Forsaken got to experience a fantastic Gilnean storyline!


Hahahahahahahha.... ugh this 17 lvl warlock agrees. one might call me a wolf in forsaken clothing...


If I recall correctly... during Beta players were asking that the Worgen questing be continued into Silverpine to wrap up the storyline and Blizzard's response was they didn't want 2 factions sharing the same starter zones. What I find odd (and extremely annoying) is that the Forsaken do quest in Gilneas, which directly contradicts what Blizzard originally stated.
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02/24/2012 12:05 PMPosted by Vegdrasil
For all we know, the stories of Magatha, Neptulon, Thassarian etc. are never going to be explored further and we're just going to be left wondering what happened to them for the rest of the game.
That's what people said about the Caverns of Time and Karazhan in Vanilla. That's what people CONTINUED to say about Uldum and Gilneas even after the Burning Crusade came out.

It's also what people say about Stromgarde, and Turalyon/Alleria, and Kul Tiras.

Some plot threads eventually get picked up again. Others don't, and there's no guarantee they ever will.
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100 Dwarf Warrior
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02/24/2012 12:25 PMPosted by Rucerius
If I recall correctly... during Beta players were asking that the Worgen questing be continued into Silverpine to wrap up the storyline and Blizzard's response was they didn't want 2 factions sharing the same starter zones. What I find odd (and extremely annoying) is that the Forsaken do quest in Gilneas, which directly contradicts what Blizzard originally stated.
Except that the worgen starter zone is an instanced version of Gilneas, much like the Scarlet Enclave is an instanced version of the Eastern Plaguelands, so they don't technically share the same starter zone. With Silverpine Forest, however, unless they locked worgen away from the rest of the world until level 20 with an instanced version of that zone, too, they would be sharing the same starter zone with the Forsaken.

02/24/2012 12:29 PMPosted by Arberus
Some plot threads eventually get picked up again. Others don't, and there's no guarantee they ever will.
But that's no excuse to say that every plot thread that isn't immediately resolved is forgotten and will never go anywhere and is a plothole and bad storytelling.
Edited by Vegdrasil on 2/24/2012 12:32 PM PST
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02/24/2012 12:31 PMPosted by Vegdrasil
Some plot threads eventually get picked up again. Others don't, and there's no guarantee they ever will.
But that's no excuse to say that every plot thread that isn't immediately resolved is forgotten and will never go anywhere and is a plothole and bad storytelling.

If the storyline is dropped in a place where it makes no sense for it to end, then yes, it does make it bad writing.
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100 Dwarf Warrior
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Except most of the storylines that people whine about aren't dropped in a place where it makes no sense. They're all pretty clear, solid, "to be continued" points.

*Magatha gets a powerful artifact, tells you she'll kill you if she sees you again, and then goes away, presumably to consolidate her power. Remember, Magatha is patient and more than willing to play the long game. She won't rush into things if she can be more assured of victory by waiting.

*Sylvanas says she's going to do bad things to Koltira, and Thassarian says he's going to go after him. Both situations are ones that are likely to take some time; the former as Sylvanas slowly turns him to her side, the latter as Thassarian investigates both where Koltira went and how to get into the Undercity without immediately getting slaughtered by Kor'kron.

*Neptulon's been taken prisoner by the naga. Azshara, like Magatha, is more than happy to take the time she needs to make ensure her victory, which likely includes taken as long as she has to to gain everything she can from Neptulon. While I admit this one could absolutely have been ended better, even if we HAD gotten the Abyssal Maw dungeon I doubt this storyline would have been resolved, since it seems an obvious lead-in to a future naga expansion.
Edited by Vegdrasil on 2/24/2012 1:11 PM PST
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90 Dwarf Paladin
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1) Neptulon
Of the four elemental lords, who let's not forget are Ragnaros-level bastions of primal fury and major servants created by the Old Gods themselves, Neptulon was considered the most powerful of them all. He was also the only one considered to be actually not evil, if for no other reason than his feud with Ragnaros, as championed via the Hydraxian Waterlords, as far back as Vanilla. It is no surprise, therefore, that he would make some kind of appearance in Vash'jir, and entirely underwater zone and home to the Abyssal Maw. Players quest through multiple rich, detailed sections of deep sea towards this target, as mentioned prominently in the press releases leading up to the expansion's release.

And then, as players rush to his defense in one of the first dungeons in the expansion, he is grabbed by an octopus and carried away. He is never seen again.


This is the only part I'd have to disagree with. The #1 loser in Cataclysm would be the Worgen. They only get half their story, and are never heard from again.
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02/24/2012 10:39 AMPosted by Adarant
You know, not all the plotlines introduced in the new 1-60 content have to be wrapped up at the same time as they're introduced. Introducing story threads for later expansions is a good way to make said expansions feel connected to the world instead of self-contained.


I brought up nearly that exact point a few months ago in a thread about the subplots of Cataclysm, but everybody there just wanted to call it bad story telling. They're wrong. All of the loose ends and unanswered questions will provide filler and end-game material for the next and future expansions. Just so long as I don't have to escort Thrall's baby around the Caverns of Time I'll be happy.


The problem with that is, that its happened before. They drop storylines or simply forget about them or the characters :(
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*Sylvanas says she's going to do bad things to Koltira, and Thassarian says he's going to go after him. Both situations are ones that are likely to take some time; the former as Sylvanas slowly turns him to her side, the latter as Thassarian investigates both where Koltira went and how to get into the Undercity without immediately getting slaughtered by Kor'kron.


Thassarian then subsequently appears in the Firelands, apparently having forgotten all about rescuing Koltira and restoring Lordaeron.
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