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Who else agrees that the role bonus is unfair?
i have pugged a handful of raids and because of the role bonus, i get screwed. they could need it, already have it and then sell it to a vendor or DE it and profit from it where as i am here not being able to progress.

It's not the role bonus that sucks then, it's the players who need on items just to sell them.

For years people have come whining to the forums for Blizzard to further restrict rolling as they thought the Need before Greed system in random dungeons was 'unfair' or 'not restrictive enough'.

Blizzard listened to the whining when they made looking for Raid and stated that this is just a test phase of the new rolling system that restricts rolling based on your role in the dungeon (or more accurately gives you a bonus to need rolls based on it) and that this is the first iteration of the new need+ rolling system.

It's 'fair' in that everyone that qualifies for the role bonus gets the exact same bonus on their rolls so yes it is fair.

Role bonus is pretty fair. Stops people from winning some of the loot. But the thing is theirs a couple things messed up with the roll bonus. I've seen a ret pally win Souldrinker with role bonus while on my frost dk. Thats the only thing I see wrong with it. Getting role bonuses on the wrong items. Role bonus works somewhat the same way as guild loot rules if they do main spec first.

There's nothing a mage can lose on from role bonus, you gain the bonus on every item that isn't spirit or a healing proc.

Tank wise the role bonus is perfect.

Healing wise, the offhand and one ring are a little off, outside that, everything seems fine.

03/04/2012 06:57 PMPosted by Galndsong

Role bonus is pretty fair. Stops people from winning some of the loot. But the thing is theirs a couple things messed up with the roll bonus. I've seen a ret pally win Souldrinker with role bonus while on my frost dk. Thats the only thing I see wrong with it. Getting role bonuses on the wrong items. Role bonus works somewhat the same way as guild loot rules if they do main spec first.

Souldrinker is a DPS/Tank item
Paladins use 1 handed strength swords

therefore DPS + Paladin = Role bonus.


As far as not progressing, LFR is not required to progress, all of DS normal is doable in 5 man gear.

Your gemming/enchanting fallacies actually cost you more effective stats than a piece of pve gear, not to mention your trinket is much worse than... anything for pve content.

You also gemmed stamina to pickup a spirit bonus...

03/04/2012 11:47 AMPosted by Nitoriak

where as i am here not being able to progress.

this content is difficult to get isn't it?

03/04/2012 11:47 AMPosted by Nitoriak

where as i am here not being able to progress

One LFR, and you didn't even finish it.

Dude, you haven't even tried. You're unenchanted in key gear slots, you have crappy gem selection, you're way under hit cap, you haven't even worked on the reps needed for your head and shoulder enchants, you're loaded in PVP gear, your spec is awful, you got a drop from your first LFR, you're already whining about loot, and you have the temerity to whine about not being able to make progress?

If you were a long distance runner, you wouldn't have even picked up a decent set of shoes before complaining how bad 20 miles is.

When you've run LFR for nearly two months and still haven't gotten your 2pc, give us a call, but for now, man, shut the hell up about how hard it is.

where as i am here not being able to progress

One LFR, and you didn't even finish it.

Dude, you haven't even tried. You're unenchanted in key gear slots, you have crappy gem selection, you're way under hit cap, you haven't even worked on the reps needed for your head and shoulder enchants, you're loaded in PVP gear, your spec is awful, you got a drop from your first LFR, you're already whining about loot, and you have the temerity to whine about not being able to make progress?

If you were a long distance runner, you wouldn't have even picked up a decent set of shoes before complaining how bad 20 miles is.

When you've run LFR for nearly two months and still haven't gotten your 2pc, give us a call, but for now, man, shut the hell up about how hard it is.

He also won Mosswrought Shoulderguards on his first LFR. I'd say that's a pretty good run being able to win at least 1 piece of loot.

Sigh people really don't understand how greedy they are before they post. I don't expect to get anything when I raid regardless if it's LFR or normal Dragon Soul.

03/04/2012 07:58 PMPosted by Desumetal

If you were a long distance runner, you wouldn't have even picked up a decent set of shoes before complaining how bad 20 miles is.

No in his case he would start complaining about how the shoe store smells like rubber then give up and start complaining lol.

The roll bonus is fine if it worked correctly. A Boomkin, SPriest or Elemental Shaman cannot get a roll bonus on Ledger of Revolting Rituals but a Retribution Paladin CAN get a roll bonus on Petrified Fungal Heart

The roll bonus is fine if it worked correctly. A Boomkin, SPriest or Elemental Shaman cannot get a roll bonus on Ledger of Revolting Rituals but a Retribution Paladin CAN get a roll bonus on Petrified Fungal Heart

I get sad everytime I roll on that OH and don't get the roll bonus

The roll bonus is fine if it worked correctly. A Boomkin, SPriest or Elemental Shaman cannot get a roll bonus on Ledger of Revolting Rituals but a Retribution Paladin CAN get a roll bonus on Petrified Fungal Heart

It does work correctly. It's just not how you'd like it to be. There's a difference.

It does work correctly. It's just not how you'd like it to be. There's a difference.

Actually, that is one of the cases where it doesn't work correctly. Or rather, as advertised.

The roll bonus is fine if it worked correctly. A Boomkin, SPriest or Elemental Shaman cannot get a roll bonus on Ledger of Revolting Rituals but a Retribution Paladin CAN get a roll bonus on Petrified Fungal Heart

It does work correctly. It's just not how you'd like it to be. There's a difference.

it works as intended i would not call it correct. IMO this is the biggest problem with the current loot system, i think there is also a ring that behaves the same way.

Ledger is listed as priest and druid and healer so yes it does work correctly. Is it optimal ? nope never said that.

for a first time using the loot system, Blizzard did a good job, as pointed out, there's only a couple items missing a questionable flag, where as the things like Rets rolling on Souldrinker are just the issue with using 2 algorithms to cross-examine needability and role bonus.

It needs to check for primary stat. I'm sick of balance druids winning agility items I need on my hunter.

03/05/2012 08:39 AMPosted by Grimbeorn

It needs to check for primary stat. I'm sick of balance druids winning agility items I need on my hunter.

You would still see Balance druids stacking agility if they needed agility gear.

all your suggestion accomplishes is encourages boomkins to balance int/agility

03/05/2012 08:42 AMPosted by Asanebally

It needs to check for primary stat. I'm sick of balance druids winning agility items I need on my hunter.

You would still see Balance druids stacking agility if they needed agility gear.

all your suggestion accomplishes is encourages boomkins to balance int/agility

I don't think I said primary stat they are wearing?? Primary stat their spec uses. Or just check for spec, either way. Something so you only get need bonus on what you really need for what you're currently doing.

I would say the lfr loot system is terrible IF i wasn't fully aware of how far ahead of time it was released(remember guy's it was originaly ment to be a 5.0 feature not a 4.3 feature) in which case i'd say it speaks pretty well on the dev team that they could throw the entire system together and have it work even as well as it is so far ahead of time.

To the OP, you claim not getting everything you wanted your first time in lfr is halting your progression but here's the truth of the matter your gems enchants and spec reak of laziness, and a complete lack of common sense, you're wearing VENDOR BOUGHT spirit items which means you had to make a concious decision to buy that item over something actually useful for you(again the common sense or rather lack there of shows).

You have ran 1 lfr not a handful 1 and that 1 you didn't even complete, but still you're here QQing that you only got 1 item on a half finished run that you likely were being carried thru on every possible level,Frankly i'm glad you got nothing but those god awful shoulders since it implies the chance that someone that's actually willing to put the exceptionaly minor amount of work in to learn their class, how to gear/gem/reforge/enchant it, and progress further actually got the item(s) instead of the bad being carried with their hand out the whole while saying "gimme gimme gimme".

I don't think I said primary stat they are wearing?? Primary stat their spec uses. Or just check for spec, either way. Something so you only get need bonus on what you really need for what you're currently doing.

The system requires extensive reworking to go based on spec.

This is why they're leaving that til MoP