Comprehensive Gaming PC/Laptop Buying Guide

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* Tricker:

You can keep using your existing case. That Logisys case looks decent.

* Kantis:

Everyone has a different belief in how to apply the thermal compound, but two major methods are -

1. Spread it thinly and evenly across the entire surface area of the core

2. Only drop in grain-sized drop in the center, and wiggle your heatsink on top of it a bit to spread it a little, then just install

I personally go with no.1 method, but no.2 works too.

But one thing is for sure: you do NOT want generous amount. No. You don't want thick amount of thermal compound applied, because then it'll make it heat up WORSE.

You also do not want to apply none, as these thermal compounds are designed to transfer heat off the core better.

As for the i5-2500k vs. i5-3570k, i5-3570k does have much better OC headroom than i5-2500k. It's just that i5-3570k needs a far better cooling than the i5-2500k to achieve the same overclock beyond 4.5 GHz. Basically, that Hyper 212+/EVO won't be enough, you need to be investing in something like Noctua NH-D14, Corsair Hydro H80+, etc. to control the heat for i5-3570k beyond 4.5 GHz where additional voltage will be needed.

Then again, you will be stuck at most, 4.8 or 4.9 GHz on i5-2500k. Few lucky samples hit 5.0 GHz. Ivy Bridge will probably hit 5.0 better if you have the cooling to support all the heat.

Yes, the ATX. I will make that note now. Same with US dollars.

* Kanzmik:

HAF 912 Advanced (Plus) is better than the Storm Enforcer due to more fans included.

By the way, plain HAF 912 and HAF 912 Advanced / Plus is a two different cases.
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Build 3's future expandability is limited to getting an Ivy Bridge CPU, but no overclock is possible.
Intel changes sockets with every new architecture release. This cannot be helped.

Build 3 will allow you to upgrade to a higher-end graphics card, except the most demanding, most high-end cards, or SLi/XFire setup.

The hardware in it will be good for several years from now. SSD is strongly recommended over getting anything else. Reason being:

You are already getting an i5. What else can you do for it?
You aren't getting an SLi/Xfire setup? Then why upgrade the motherboard?
You already have 8GB RAM. More doesn't help.
HD 6870 / GTX 560 is enough to power any non-super demanding games perfectly.
etc. etc.

So that leaves only SSD as an upgrade that will leave a huge impact in your day-to-day computing.
Hi Kal, I'm building a new PC and am unsure of getting a 2500k or 3570k on the 29th. My question is why do you say the 2500k beats the 3570k if overclocking past 4.5 ghz? o.o
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Build 3's future expandability is limited to getting an Ivy Bridge CPU, but no overclock is possible.Intel changes sockets with every new architecture release. This cannot be helped.Build 3 will allow you to upgrade to a higher-end graphics card, except the most demanding, most high-end cards, or SLi/XFire setup.The hardware in it will be good for several years from now. SSD is strongly recommended over getting anything else. Reason being:You are already getting an i5. What else can you do for it?You aren't getting an SLi/Xfire setup? Then why upgrade the motherboard?You already have 8GB RAM. More doesn't help.HD 6870 / GTX 560 is enough to power any non-super demanding games perfectly.etc. etc.So that leaves only SSD as an upgrade that will leave a huge impact in your day-to-day computing. /[quote]

Would getting the i7 Ivy Bridge CPU (when available) help with future expandability? Or is it better to just use #3 build now and worry about replacing the motherboard and CPU (and whatever else) later as it becomes appropriate? I don't mind spending the money for it now if it will be useful and economically viable later.
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04/26/2012 09:41 AMPosted by Kantis
It's just far enough off that someone thinking that the prices they are looking at are in Canadian dollars could easily select the wrong component if there are various choices, such as with the Asrock Z77 Extreme4 motherboards. If you compare Newegg.com vs Newegg.ca prices, for example, you'll see what I mean.


I see, but in that case just go with the full name of the component and not something similar that is also based on the price :P
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Vanillaa:

No. Only issue with the Ivy Bridge is the heat (that comes with overvolting beyond 4.5 GHz). If you can tame the heat, Ivy Bridge is always better than the Sandy Bridge.

Boid:

Unless you plan to specifically use multithreaded programs, i7 doesn't help you any in this regard. Games will not take advantage of all 8 threads offered by i7 Ivy Bridge CPUs for years and years to come. Hell, most games out today don't even make proper use of 4 cores on a CPU, and most are content with just using 2.

Defilement:

GTX 570 can be used on a quality 500W power supply, but the 600W was assuming you would consider overclocking other parts of your system.
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I was considering buying an I7 due to the fact that I'm planning on doing streams and fraps with possibly some video editing. Maybe I'm overdoing it. Again.
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If it's just an occasional thing, I wouldn't buy an i7 for it.
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I wouldn't buy the Gaming Series power supply from Corsair, it's not exactly very high quality (only ones worth buying are the Enthusiast and Professional series). It's probably better for you to spend a little more on a PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK III 600W.

Yes, those "brass spacers" are called the motherboard standoffs. These come with the case.

Although Radeon 7870 can be had for little more than the EVGA card, if you like the GTX 570 more, you can keep it. It's not a bad card in any way.

The Patriot RAM is strange. It says its operating voltage is 1.5v, but in features list, it operates at 1.65v. Should be OK however.

Other than that, it looks great. They should all work with each other.

Don't forget to register that EVGA card with EVGA as soon as you get it to fully take advantage of the warranty offered by the -AR submodel (limited lifetime). If you fail to do this, you will miss out on their excellent warranty.
Edited by Kalganized on 4/26/2012 8:58 PM PDT
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HardOCP just reviewed that OC'd Sapphire HD 7870 card today.

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/26/sapphire_hd_7870_oc_edition_video_card_review

Basically, it's one of the better 7870 card you can buy now.
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04/26/2012 08:35 PMPosted by Kalganized
If it's just an occasional thing, I wouldn't buy an i7 for it.


But what if for the times I want to do it I can't? :P

Edit: Meh changed my mind again : http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130768

It seems to only have a Warranty of 3 years though which is unfortunate.
Edited by Madawk on 4/26/2012 9:26 PM PDT
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Well, if you really want i7, I won't stop you, as long as you don't have to sacrifice any other computer parts for it.
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04/26/2012 09:26 PMPosted by Kalganized
Well, if you really want i7, I won't stop you, as long as you don't have to sacrifice any other computer parts for it.


I won't have to. Here's the entire build for your entertainement ( You've influenced some of this :P )

Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
CPU: Likely an IB I7 of equivalent value to this one > http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021
GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130768
Memory: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345
HDD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
MoBo: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157296
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So, i7-3770k. ;)

If you are going to SLi/XFire, the motherboard doesn't have a proper speed support for it.

Needs a proper CPU cooler to OC the i7. The tall heatsinks on the Vengeance RAM may interfere with tower CPU coolers.
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Yes, you can use the stock fan that the card comes with. It will be fine.
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