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1. No changes in roster can be made for 45 days.
2. For 1 week no changes in guild bank can be made.
3. Every member of the guild SHOULD be sent a warning that this has happened.
4. In that 45 Days the original GM should be able to contest it.

Nah bad idea

1) no changes in Roster means nobody can be invited or removed. The reason the change in leadership happens is so that a GM who left could be replaced and an Active guild would not fall apart because officers might not have the required permissions to do the things they need to do (like buy bank slots, allow permissions, remove permissions, promode, demote, invite, kick, etc...) So not enabling them to do that for 75 days after a GM went MIA would be detrimental to a guild.

2) Again same as 1.

3) They have been warned already in multiple ways that it can happen, no reason for Blizzard to tell them when it does happen. They should be aware of what is going on in their own guilds.

4) No, that is what the 30 days are for, he doesn't need an additional 45 days to contest it I mean at that point we are getting to the GM having been gone from the guild for 1/3 of the year. So no.

When the OP created and organized his guild none of the considerations you have mentioned were pertinent. Did Blizzard inform GMs of these changes and via email? (AND YES I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO, SYCOPHANT GUY.) When you consider that the reason people would fall victim to this kind of thing is that they were away from the game for a time it is silly to assert that they should have read the patch notes or forums.

He wasn't away from the game. He was playing other toons on other servers.

Then he has less of an excuse for not checking in on his guild from time to time. Sounds like the new realm was more important to him then his guild was.

He wasn't away from the game. He was playing other toons on other servers.

Then he has less of an excuse for not checking in on his guild from time to time. Sounds like the new realm was more important to him then his guild was.

Exactly. I'd say that in about 95% of these threads, the person who's guild got taken was still active in the game, just the guild in question just wasn't that important to them. And I do have a bank alt guild on another server that I rarely play, but you know what. I kicked out anyone who isn't in my family,and even then I log into it once every couple of weeks to make sure no one was hacked.

The day I read one of these threads where the OP was in a coma for a month is the day that I'll have sympathy for them.

03/31/2012 01:24 PMPosted by Necrossa

The day I read one of these threads where the OP was in a coma for a month is the day that I'll have sympathy for them.

My daughter is a nurse in a Medical ICU, When someone wakes up from a coma that long, they are going to be gone from the game a lot longer then that. WoW and their guild is the least of their worries. If they don't end up in a total veggy state are in for months, if not years of demanding, intense Rehab.

A lot of people defend this crap because it's 30 days of no GM, and somehow passed down to someone who wasn't an officer.

What you people fail to understand is that once the GM goes inactive, the next highest rank gets the chance to take the guild. If you manage to get all the way down to "entry level" rank, that means that you have these groups you may or may not have made, all inactive.

(This is a list in expected, average order of ranking.)

- GM
- GM Alts
- Trusted Officers
- Other Officers
- Raiders
- RBG Team
- Active, well-known casuals
- Once-a-month casuals
- Alts

until you reach the Just Invited In rank. In fact there may be more rankings there, just for a GM's personal friend, or if the GM wants to give them a special honor, or a special "honor". (Such as "Rodeo Clown".)

And no, notifying the GM is a stupid idea. Blizzard's policy seems to focus more on letting guilds be active, not having some jerk GM be all "LOL, I WANT MY BANK, YOU SCRUBS KEEP USING THE GUILD PERK TO ADD TO MY PERSONAL $ PILE KK" as they log in once, then stay offline for four weeks before logging in again.

"But then I have to kick Johnny Ultra-Casual-Who-Logs-In-Three-Times-A-Year-For-Solo-Questing!"

Oh no, whatever will Johnny do.

"But I also have to kick the casuals who do solo quests or solo queue for LFD, but log in a few times a week!"

Might suck to burn that bridge, but if they're not doing group activities with you anyway, they'll get over it. All they've lost are a few guild perks, and they can probably find a new guild.

"But I have to kick my raid/RBG team!"

If they're active and you're not, just hand GM over to a trusted officer. If you really want the bank stuff that badly then empty it out first.

"But what if I might want to come back in the future?"

... What if you end up never doing that? Which side should Blizzard be on? The side of one single person, or the side of your guildmates that are active, and probably amount to more than one person?Seriously, if your guild is your personal bank (while also allowing some limited access in a single tab to your raid team) then treat it as such, and get rid of the other people who might take it from you if you act in a way that makes them think you quit the game.
If it's not, then turn GM over to one of your trusted companions so that the guild can actually be managed in your absence, whether it's permanent or not.

Some common links with all these "OHYMGOSH I LOST MY GUILD IT'S BLIZZARDS FAULT!!!" stories:

The guild leader is inactive.
The guild leader promotes and/or invites untrustful people.
The guild leader didn't actually lead.
The guild lead didn't seemingly have anyone trustful to lead the guild in their absence.
The bank is used as item storage for the guild lead, rather than being an actual guild bank.
The person posting these stories has a lot of excuses for the above issues.

Moral of the story: Run your guilds better. If you actually led your guild and didn't invite every pseudo-anonymous Joe, Jack, Jill, or Jane that you saw, you might not have this problem

I can agree on this. But add this in:

- the person who took the guild is always someone who mass booted and then ninja'd everything in the guild.

It's somehow magically never someone who took it over and started leading the raid team... probably because any raid team in these guilds is just as inactive, with half of them having canceled subs.

PASSED ONTO TO SOMEONE ELSE, IT SHOULD AT LEAST BE PASSED TO SOMEONE WHO CARES FOR THE GUILD, NOT A RANDOM STRANGER. IN THIS CASE, SOMEONE WHO IS HONORED OR HIGHER WITH THE GUILD.Understand?

And it would've been, if they were active, it gets offered to an active member of the next highest rank, for 30 days, and continues down the guild ranks. So either no one else was active either, or there was no rank system in place. Understand?

It sucks for sure but that's why you shouldn't leave you guild unattended in the hands of strangers. Or when you bring strangers into you guild don't give them authority until they've proven themselves

If you are still unhappy with this outcome, I suggest cancelling your sub and giving the reason in the box as being dissatisfied by the lack of notification and ease of guild usurpation. I think the system is unsatisfactory and has no advantages to players over the previous system which required manual intervention.

Blizz will only change their policy if the money they lose from dissatisfied ppl > money they gain by automation and opportunists paying guild server transfer fees/renames in order to sell.

Everyone in this thread saying OP had it coming is trolling and most of you are falling for it.

The OP stated this was not a guild for leveling, questing, raiding or any other such activity but rather a guild for players (mostly friends and family) to use as an extended bank.

If the player who took control and kicked everyone out of this banking guild was so important to the life of the guild as so many of you trolls claim, then why didn't he make a new guild or join a more active guild?

He saw an opportunity to abuse the power as a GM to steal what was not fully his to take. A guild is a cooperation among players towards a similar game interest not a dictatorship or a FFA. What happened to OP is terrible and everyone telling him off for not knowing every minute detail of being a GM is setting unrealistic expectations of knowledge all players should know. Not everyone has unlimited free time to read everything pertaining to WoW as well as keep up with RL and play the actually game.

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Did you even read what the op said i am guessing not .

Read before you post incorrect facts .
He said it was a banking guild for friends and family , not some raiding guild .

This action where you can have your guild tanken away from you while you have an active acct is balogna .

Doesn't change a thing. Either he is lying or one of his friends/family really sucks.

He even stated he was playing other toons. How hard is it to hit the change realm button and log in?

It also wasn't 'his' guild, blizz has adopted a policy of it belonging to everyone in the guild.

OP's guild was probably a 'fluffer' guild as I call them. See, his main is on a different server. He couldn't give two rats about the guild that was taken,, other then the gold he could sell a level 25 guild for.

All the people that supposedly got kicked, they got spared from getting kicked from the guild when it was level 25 and the GM decided to sell it or transfer it to his mains server.

Did you even read what the op said i am guessing not .

Read before you post incorrect facts .
He said it was a banking guild for friends and family , not some raiding guild .

This action where you can have your guild tanken away from you while you have an active acct is balogna .

So one of his friends or family took the guild? And the OP is blameless in this? Ok then. This isn't even worth commenting on.

Unless you share a bank account with somebody IRL why would you share a bank guild with them in game?

I would think adding that little step in would be a measure of protection for the GM. Most people check their email every day or at the very least, every few days - even if they aren't logging into the game.

Request is made to remove GM. 20 days go by. Blizz auto sends email. Gives GM seven days to log in and resolve the situation. If they don't, then they are removed as GM.

Good idea, Kilbeggan. I've seen too many threads by former GMs complaining that they weren't given notification of the dethroning process.

Notification is not given for one very solid reason:

Some GL's would abuse it by simply logging in for a few seconds every 30 days, then logging off again for another 30 days. The guild is therefore still in the same unenviable position of not having an active leader.

This system is set up to deal with those GL's that go inactive for long periods of time without bothering to check in at all. Yes, the guild 'belongs' to the GL in the broader sense, but the minute you invite other people into it, those people then have a stake in the guild and how it's handled.

You can't seriously think that it's ok to invite people who may work their tails off, generating gold and guild experience for the guild, then treat them with so little respect.

If you don't prune away the members that have been inactive for long periods, or that you no longer remember or recognize, you're taking a huge risk when you go inactive yourself.