The first and most obvious evidential proof is why do world first end-boss kills continue to be in a 25-man setting?"Correlation does not imply causation"
The answer to this is two different things. They way they view
25 vs 10 raiding and also due to loot
. I would imagine that, on one hand, they feel like 25 is more "real" or w/e. This is of course my opinion and not a fact.
A more appropriate answer to this is the amount of loot that drops. 25man guilds can gear up faster, therefor they can push for world top progression faster, especially when multiple tiers are involved. As far as DS was concerned, all of the top 25man guilds had a ton of casters with the legendary staff, compared to the equivalent 10man guilds having far less casters with the legendary staff.
Yes, DPS requirements are slightly lower in 10-man’s, but that is by Blizzard’s design to keep the difficulty the same as the average 10-man group doesn’t have every raid buff.
Yes sir, this is true but when I say that the enrage timers are too generous in 10man this is what I mean. Our first heroic kill of Morchok in 25man was right at, or right after the enrage timer. I believe it was the following week where there was a holiday or something going on and so we just made a 10man. This is where it gets tricky so follow me here. The 10man group did not have all main raiders and we did heroic morchock. When he died we had 2 minutes until enrage. TWO MINUTES until enrage.
When I discuss 10 and 25 man raiding, I am actually qualified to make statements of opinion based on the two because I have actually done both. As far as I know, TA and LH raiders are the only raiders here (on this server) qualified to provide first hand experience and feedback on the difficulty of content from both raiding formats throughout Cataclysm.
And just for a little epeen I will point out that FE’s DPS keep up with your best in 25’s and then some: for example the past two times we have killed heroic Ultraxion kill our top 5 DPS (our standard five DPS players) averaged 40,748 DPS and 39,953 DPS (missing one buff) While the top five in TA averaged 38,649 DPS this past week
Flex away! :)
I would like to point out for you though, that from the WoL information you posted we can see that the 25man version for TA was just shy of 6 minutes. Your two fights lasted 4.1 and 4.3 minutes. Shorter fight = higher portion of heroism, potion, and cooldown uptime. This of course, leads to higher dps. I would be happy to compare some logs where the bosses had equal health though. Please try it on 25man heroic and post those logs.
Going back to Wrath days to state how you think the top TA guys could compete equally with Ruthless (or FE) in 10’s right now is hard to prove based on WOTLK setting… the mindset of people in Wrath for 10-man’s was entirely different than it is today for obvious reasons.
How? When we were allowed to raid both we kicked your butts in both. Now we can only raid 25 and you can only raid 10s but if you want to believe that you guys all magically got pro and it has nothing to do with you raiding 10man then I guess you're welcome to believe what ever you want to.
The only way I will be convinced otherwise is if either of the 10man guilds goes 25 for MoP and starts getting realm first that way. But, you won't, because you know (even if you're too proud to admit it) that even if you could get the people your progression would suffer. I do not mean to sound rude or derogatory.