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I agree, 90 days is much too long for an active guild to be without a gm. Especially since a gm can establish a ranking system that would allow no one to dethrone ever, there is no reason for the 90 day time frame. I've made sure that the top most rank has only people I would trust to take over the guild if "I got hit by a bus", and they would demote the less worthy before the dethrone button came up. But I wouldn't want them to have to wait 90 days. |
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i am an officer in my guild and my gm decided to stop playing but logged in once after two months resetting his offline time to zero. This 90 days is quite ridiculous and now there's only 3 active people left in my guild, and everyone else has gquit :(. We had about 30 active people playing...Its quite disappointing...
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While I don't personally have a problem with 90 days, I do have a problem
with ranks. In my current guild there is a lot of inactivity, so I want to take control and turn the guild into your normal casual / leveling guild for MoP and future content. I am rank 5, but because they have GM, General, Officer and Officer alts. I sit just outside the threshold unable to do anything. None of those that have the rank listed above have been on in 3 months easily. GM 4 months and one General now sitting at 8 months. Tickets have been submitted, scrolls sent and Blizzard has said there is nothing they can do and I call B.S on it. This is a day one guild and I do not want it to rot because of the current rank system in place. It's great if you sit in a position to take control, but if you are below it, you are S.O.L. Don't get me wrong, there have been times where CS has shined and helped me out with situations in game, but unable to help in this matter certainly stings. |
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Edited by Shattner on 8/26/12 3:51 PM (PDT)
Almost seems TOO logical that they could have made dethroning available on this schedule:
Rank 2 wait 30 days Rank 3 wait 45 days Rank 4 wait 60 days Rank 5 wait 75 days 90 days is just WAY too long to make the whole guild have to wait for RESPONSIVE leadership be in control of the guild (once again). |
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We recently had to wait out the 90 day period, in fear that the old GL would just log in one day and end up resetting the whole wait back to 90 days. For us, the 90 wait was actually closer to 180 days, as the old leader was logging in off and on to make some truegold and pop it on the auction house.
I think the 90 days is fine, but it can't be 90 days without logging in. It needs to be 90 days without any guild activity. It doesn't take much to log in and do a daily, just to get some activity, and if a GL can't be bothered to do at least that, then their guild is likely suffering and are just waiting for the chance to change leadership. As an aside, I wish that there was a way to invite your own alt to your guild as well. Perhaps the guild quartermaster could sell a mailable invite that was account bound, just to help out those smaller, less active guilds that may rarely have more than one person on at a time. |
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Is it possible to promote an off-line player to GM? and how does one demote themself from the GM position?
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Kicked all the peeps from my guild and im happy now !!!
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All but 700 or so I take it? Unless armory takes over a day to update.
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I'm in a guild on another server where the gm is a personal friend. I dethroned her during the time frame when you could dethrone at 30 days because she hadn't been on her account due to financial issues.. no problem with that but somehow her account got hacked and the hacker reactivated it with a prepaid time card. So the next time I knew she was going to be gone for an extended period I used the dethrone feature. When she finally logged in a week after blizzard sent her the email notification, I returned the guild to her after talking to her over the phone. Now we have the same situation, she had to let her subscription lapse and there is noone to actually lead the guild. Noone can remove more than one stack of anything and only she and her family members can use gold for repairs. So now noone is contributing to the guild bank. So it does hurt the guild because she's not online and she can't log on and turn over leadership to someone else. In these cases there should be an exception to the new 90 day rule, especially when you blizzard can review the guild leader's logs and see a repeat pattern. Her account has been hacked 6 times in the past 15 months. Someone needs to take ownership who can log on once a week atleast and make sure that the guild bank isn't stripped again. Luckily the last time it happened at around 3am I was online and was able to file a ticket to report the hacked account because her husband was online in another game with me and I was able to verify that noone in the house was on her account.
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Edited by Roshakar on 9/10/12 8:54 AM (PDT)
No, the character being promoted to GM needs to be logged in. Promoting another player is the only way for a GM to "demote" themselves as far as I know. If I remember correctly, when the GM transfers ownership they get demoted all the way to the lowest rank. |
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Not true. The gm can promote any guildie to gm by typing /guildlead name. I did it just a couple days ago. |
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Since this seems the place to discuss this...
Our GL passed away suddenly back in July. His wife and 2 close friends were the only other officers in the guild besides myself. I know the rest is going to sound a bit petty in lieu of the circumstances but he loved this game and would have wished for us to continue on. His wife logged in once back in mid August just before her game time expired trying to catch me online (she had logged into his account before it expired and passed herself the guild leadership so she could pass it on to me) but I was still at work. Anyway, needless to say, it reset her timer. They all quit and have let their accounts expire...I am the only officer remaining and active. I have raiders pushing me to find out if anything can be done because we have 7 bank tabs full of mats and gems that no one can access. I have one full control tab and can view everything else but can't touch it. We also have several hundred thousand gold we only have repair access to. None of them have any intentions of coming back. I can provide Blizzard with our GLs obituary and the email conversations I have had with his wife showing that none of them are playing anymore and don't plan on it. I am slowly bleeding members who don't want to stick around if the guild is going to ultimately die due to inactivity. I have submitted a ticket but am not sure what other options I have. I am rank 3 in my guild but every other rank GL, 1, 2 and 4 member of the guild has quit. |
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At 90 days since the current gm logged in, under current policy, you will have the option to dethrone.
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The kicker is, without any leadership aside from myself, the guild will be left with the inactive officers, myself and maybe one or two players because we can't even control mats we donated to the guild bank.
At this point, our once top 5 server guild on a regular basis will be nothing but a faint memory. |
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While I don't personally have a problem with 90 days, I do have a problem ^ i'm going through the same exact thing with my current guild, its pretty sad how all we can do is just sit there and do nothing |
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To be honest why don't they just change it to a second leader position were the second in command takes control of the guild if the GM is off for whatever days. But does not and cannot kick the GM of the guild or dethrone him.
This way you have an active GM but if the original GM comes back he is not kicked from the guild he made or feels robbed? Kind of like awaiting the return of the king. |
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I don't have a problem with the 90 days (as real life happens), the idea of 30 days was too short and 60 days may be a better choice overall but the real question I have is the proper etiquette of taking over the guild.
I've been in a number of guilds over the years with different alts but have been in my current guild now for the past 2 or 3 years. It used to be a very large and active guild but over time it has slowly withered down to a few core players and many of those have now been inactive for anywhere from 5 months to 1 year. Some of these I know to be alts of other officers, but a lot of them are just forgotten toons. I myself tend to take almost two months off during the summer to get away and our guild has always been less active in the summer, but now I appear to be the only member alive. I'm on every couple of nights and I have the ability to make some changes within the guild bank and invite new members and other adjustments but not all. Should I take over the guild or continue to wait until either the current GM returns or someone less noble ninjas it? |
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Shouldn't make a guild in the first place if the GM isn't going to be inactive O.o (fail)
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