How To Fight Rogue As Enhance?

10 Dwarf Paladin
30
Can't trinket out of the initial stunlock presumably it's best to eat it because if you trinket he'll just stun you again, so let's say you eat the initial stunlock, what then?

At this point you're generally have crippling poison and are slowed so can't get away, walking slowly and rogue is still tearing you up, probably 30-60% health at this point, you can turn around and just start bombing the rogue with your own attacks but it's a losing effort cus he's full health and has a big headstart with you at 30-60%, can put down earthbind totem but that won't do anything against crippling poison.
Can try to hex him to buy a little time but usually will be kicked/interrupted by decent rogue.

Only thing I can think of is immediately pop shamanistic rage and wolves, then turn to rogue and start windfury bombing him hoping that wolves plus maelstrom 5/5 proc will allow you to heal yourself back to full or close to it with lucky heal crit and then you're on even ground with the rogue but usually it doesn't work out that way.

Is there ANY way for a shaman to get out of a rogue's stunlock and get back to a decent distance to kite him a little bit to get it at a level playing field? Or is it because once he opens on you, you're stuck in a phonebooth type fight and whoever has more crits and procs smashing each other with every possible ability will win?
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85 Worgen Rogue
1840
You have some strange logic.

Cheap Shot is a 4 second stun, Kidney is 6. If you trinket CS, and then get hit with kidney shot., KS would suffer DR. All this time keep in mind you can pop shamanistic rage while stunned. Also have your wolves you can stun with.

Ok, so easy fix for all worries: reroll Goblin, trinket the stun, rocket jump away, frost shock to root, wolves, then wolf form to run away to safety. Perfect plan d(^.^)b
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90 Pandaren Shaman
13820
Bite the pillow, he's probably going in dry...
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90 Orc Shaman
6905
wolf stun, hex and hope for a greater healing wave crit

In the opener you can try popping on a shield and shammy rage and try to survive
You could use spirit walk for the poison and keep him at frost shock range but he would just ShadowstepI would save the trinket for the blind, as any decent rogue will blind and reset the fight.
Other then that Enhance has little to no chance to beating a decent rogue.
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85 Orc Shaman
8930
04/28/2012 09:52 PMPosted by Refrigerator
Bite the pillow, he's probably going in dry...
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90 Troll Shaman
6865
Have totems down, eat first two stuns, pop wolves, keep stoneclaw on CD, only use maelstrom to heal, when you get him to vanish heal like crazy and sham rage through new stuns. Again keep stoneclaw on CD. Our damage outdoes theirs, so be rocking fb/ft to keep them still and to max out damage. Screw windfury. Also people tell me flameshoking rogues is critical, but I find it more helpful to just keep them earthshocked.

Basically, the trick I use is to go heads up with them and keep them on the defensive. Don't be scared of them.
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85 Draenei Shaman
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04/28/2012 09:52 PMPosted by Refrigerator
Bite the pillow, he's probably going in dry...
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You have some strange logic.

Cheap Shot is a 4 second stun, Kidney is 6. If you trinket CS, and then get hit with kidney shot., KS would suffer DR. All this time keep in mind you can pop shamanistic rage while stunned. Also have your wolves you can stun with.

Ok, so easy fix for all worries: reroll Goblin, trinket the stun, rocket jump away, frost shock to root, wolves, then wolf form to run away to safety. Perfect plan d(^.^)b


This guy doesn't know how to Vanish > Cloak of Skills > lolcuperate until Feral Spirits go down. Even if the Rogue is absolutely terrible he can just trololol Preparation and get another go at you with his welfare legendary daggers and LFR trinkets.

04/28/2012 09:52 PMPosted by Refrigerator
Bite the pillow, he's probably going in dry...

This is more accurate.

Your options are
a) Pop all your defensive cooldowns so you can die in his second opener
b) Die in his first opener

Additionally, always use [Enchant Weapon: Lube], you never know when you will need some on hand.
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50 Human Priest
14170
Ankh when there are other friendlies around and stick to them and hope they can kill the rogue.
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10 Dwarf Paladin
30
You have some strange logic.

Cheap Shot is a 4 second stun, Kidney is 6. If you trinket CS, and then get hit with kidney shot., KS would suffer DR. All this time keep in mind you can pop shamanistic rage while stunned. Also have your wolves you can stun with.

Ok, so easy fix for all worries: reroll Goblin, trinket the stun, rocket jump away, frost shock to root, wolves, then wolf form to run away to safety. Perfect plan d(^.^)b


wow that's totally fair so i'd have to reroll and use eveyr single cool down and every single racial JUST to survive a single move from a rogue. yeah that's balanced..nerf rogues
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85 Dwarf Shaman
7665
Magma Totem, stand on it. Use Stoneclaw on cooldown.

Try to kite him during evasion, save shamanistic rage for shadowdance and hex if possible during dance.

If you can force him to trinket thats the time you'll want to wolfs and stun and hope you get some huge damage on him.

If he vanishes and waits out your wolfs you lose. Sorry.
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85 Worgen Rogue
1840
You have some strange logic.

Cheap Shot is a 4 second stun, Kidney is 6. If you trinket CS, and then get hit with kidney shot., KS would suffer DR. All this time keep in mind you can pop shamanistic rage while stunned. Also have your wolves you can stun with.

Ok, so easy fix for all worries: reroll Goblin, trinket the stun, rocket jump away, frost shock to root, wolves, then wolf form to run away to safety. Perfect plan d(^.^)b


wow that's totally fair so i'd have to reroll and use eveyr single cool down and every single racial JUST to survive a single move from a rogue. yeah that's balanced..nerf rogues


Ok, so lets try again then... vs. Assassination rogue perhaps? How about we turn it around, what does a caster do against that 5 sec CD spamming interrupt and purge?

Not all specs are viable in all situations. They just change over time. Resto druids, combat mace rogues, mace warriors, waste-of-space-retardins, elemental shammy, etc. All have had up's and downs, or their "time". In vanilla, nothing made me roll a hordie faster than being one-shotted by a tornado.
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85 Draenei Shaman
8465
04/29/2012 02:01 AMPosted by Knive
How about we turn it around, what does a caster do against that 5 sec CD spamming interrupt and purge?

If you think having to spend several globals to clean a mage or priest of buffs while he is turreting you, just to do any damage, is the same as a rogue opening on an Enhancement shaman, then I just don't know what to tell you.

A) A caster can still do damage to you while you're spamming that purge key praying to the RNG gods. Spamming that purge key also prevents you from doing any damage to them, except maybe white damage if you're lucky enough (or they're dumb enough) for you to be in melee range. Against rogues, you cannot do that while stunned.™

B) A caster can juke interrupts, or use CC/silence to guarantee casts. I rarely see mages/locks/priests utilize silence correctly against Enhancement, and then they all whine about how OP Wind Shear is.

None of these points apply to Ele shaman, but that's because they're the stepchild that the red-headed stepchild looks down on.
Edited by Fredp on 4/29/2012 2:36 AM PDT
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10 Dwarf Paladin
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04/29/2012 02:24 AMPosted by Fredp
How about we turn it around, what does a caster do against that 5 sec CD spamming interrupt and purge?

If you think having to spend several globals to clean a mage or priest of buffs while he is turreting you, just to do any damage, is the same as a rogue opening on an Enhancement shaman, then I just don't know what to tell you.

A) A caster can still do damage to you while you're spamming that purge key praying to the RNG gods. Spamming that purge key also prevents you from doing any damage to them, except maybe white damage if you're lucky enough (or they're dumb enough) for you to be in melee range. Against rogues, you cannot do that while stunned.™

B) A caster can juke interrupts, or use CC/silence to guarantee casts. I rarely see mages/locks/priests utilize silence correctly against Enhancement, and then they all whine about how OP Wind Shear is.

None of these points apply to Ele shaman, but that's because they're the stepchild that the red-headed stepchild looks down on.


Good point you can't even compare the 2. a rogue's opener on an enhance (or almost on anyone really) is guaranteed to start the fight with the latter party at 30% health, it's a joke, thjere's nothing enhance can do that even equates
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90 Pandaren Shaman
0
double landslide! trinket the dismantle!
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100 Troll Shaman
XAG
7350
learn to deal with being enhancement? pop shamanistic rage on the opener, drop stone claw soon as it breaks and he kidney shots you, trinket that summon wolves turn around and start kicking his a$$!
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63 Orc Death Knight
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04/28/2012 09:52 PMPosted by Refrigerator
Bite the pillow, he's probably going in dry...
lol
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
19040
I'm like 99% sure the general strategy is to use your /sit macro so you get crit more often, die, and can res to fight other people.
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04/29/2012 08:29 AMPosted by Streetguru
learn to deal with being enhancement? pop shamanistic rage on the opener, drop stone claw soon as it breaks and he kidney shots you, trinket that summon wolves turn around and start kicking his a$$!


rogue vanishes and waits out your wolves and your SOL...

really the only logical time to pop wolves is after the rogue can no longer vanish.. assuming your still alive lol It's really just an uphill battle, a good rogue will always beat you.
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100 Troll Shaman
XAG
7350
oh! Alt+f4 also works

but ya you have no chance against a rogue sorry buddy
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