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04/28/2012 04:25 PMPosted by Lolio

America.

!@#$ YA!

IDEA!! if youre a hardcore player and have a problem with the nerfs and people that enjoy playing the game for what it is then post RL pictures/video of yourself wearing your title and flying your mount to what ever it is you do (college/work) and make sure you tell everyone that gives you a funny look that youre hardcore and to get on your level.

Be creative you never know, you might see yourself on tosh.o

05/01/2012 09:06 AMPosted by Naumu

And if you're taking part in this incessant drivel and you are older than 18, you have bigger problems.

Or people actually want a challenge, and please don't bring up the "you can turn it off" because no guild worth their salt that cares about their rankings will turn it off, especially at this point. Obviously at this point it doesn't matter either way, people still won't do it when they've cleared it with little to no buff beforehand. I know a guy currently who's working on his MA and he's a high-end raider, just because you have a life/going to graduate/etc school doesn't mean you can't be good/semi-decent at this game. And how long you've been playing is irrelevant, I've seen players who started in Wrath at early Cata who were GREAT players in both DPS and awareness.

Any guild that truly cares about their rankings, and has not cleared the content by this point, should really not be concerned their rankings.

That's harsh, but true.

Honestly, unless you are in one of the top 10 or so guilds... Ranking matters very little. It is just so easy to shuffle off to new realms these days that recruiting just becomes a cycle... Because anyone fickle enough to join you because you are ranked 35th, is also just as likely to leave you for a guild ranked 30th. (So progression based recruiting tends to lead to progression based losses.)

So Blizzard delayed it by one week to avoid the "Blizzard is actually nerfing on a schedule despite claims to the contrary" comments. I hope no one is buying it. The nerfs are clearly coming on a schedule of approximately 5% per month. If any guild is struggling with progression, its because they have no idea what they're doing and have no business being in a raid in the first place, or their progression is being slowed by logistics rather than fight mechanics, and this nerf won't help them progress any faster than they currently are.

All this nerf is going to do is speed up burnout among raiders and lose Blizzard more subscriptions before MoP than had they not implemented the continued nerfs.

Additionally, I'd like to point one thing out again that I've pointed out before: in about 3 months when the nerf gets to 35%, Heroic Ultraxion with the debuff will have approximately 4 million less health (25-man) than normal Ultraxion without it.

Wow. Who knows why Blizzard delayed it, but they did. Does it really matter? It's only May 1st. Yesterday was still April. It's the end of month/beginning of a new month. Same time frame.

If a guild is struggling with progression, then that is THEIR problem. I don't see why you care. It doesn't affect me. If the nerf helps them progress a little bit more, good for them. YOU have no authority what so ever to tell people whether they have a right to be in a raid for not.

How is the nerf going to speed up burnout? Honestly, how? I can't see how that would have anything to do with the burnout that is already quite advanced through players right now. And so what? What do you care?

I could have sworn I read that it was only going to 35%, but now people are saying 35%. It doesnt really matter anyways. As other people have posted, ICC had the same nerf as well. Get over yourself.

So Blizzard delayed it by one week to avoid the "Blizzard is actually nerfing on a schedule despite claims to the contrary" comments. I hope no one is buying it. The nerfs are clearly coming on a schedule of approximately 5% per month. If any guild is struggling with progression, its because they have no idea what they're doing and have no business being in a raid in the first place, or their progression is being slowed by logistics rather than fight mechanics, and this nerf won't help them progress any faster than they currently are.

All this nerf is going to do is speed up burnout among raiders and lose Blizzard more subscriptions before MoP than had they not implemented the continued nerfs.

Additionally, I'd like to point one thing out again that I've pointed out before: in about 3 months when the nerf gets to 35%, Heroic Ultraxion with the debuff will have approximately 4 million less health (25-man) than normal Ultraxion without it.

Your post is nothing more than another arrogant rant from a person that thinks they "know" how everything works and has all the answers.

For the record, you don't "know" what is best or have any relevant answers.

Get over yourself.

05/01/2012 09:54 AMPosted by Lectricity

If a guild is struggling with progression, then that is THEIR problem. I don't see why you care. It doesn't affect me. If the nerf helps them progress a little bit more, good for them. YOU have no authority what so ever to tell people whether they have a right to be in a raid for not.

Reminds me when I was growing up and my parents would tell me to not worry about what my siblings were doing and just worry about what I was doing.

05/01/2012 10:00 AMPosted by Sidepain

If a guild is struggling with progression, then that is THEIR problem. I don't see why you care. It doesn't affect me. If the nerf helps them progress a little bit more, good for them. YOU have no authority what so ever to tell people whether they have a right to be in a raid for not.

Reminds me when I was growing up and my parents would tell me to not worry about what my siblings were doing and just worry about what I was doing.

Sounds like your parents were wise folks. (My mom also said that to me - lol).

People like you I hate. I hate everyoen who yells out "You've had time."

Yes and No. I have had time. I have had plenty of time. Other won't let me. Do I have skill? Yes, yes, and very much yes. It is people like YOU stopping me. I don't need the nerfs. I don't NEED to get better. What I need is oppertunity. I don't WANT the nerfs either.

Being deined repeatedly to raid when searching, and searching, and going all over creation to GET INTO a raid group is the killer part. How many more are there like me ... I am here to DPS. I am here to do my job. Apparently I am denied.

So I will rant away. Don't tell me I've had time when YOU stop me. Closing the door in my face and telling me that "You're not a real raider..." or "You don't have skilll..." or "Only those who..." Shut it already. I have all that but you won't let me in the damn raiding door before the nerfs ensue! So you cannot DENY me to raid, then claim I am bad because I didn't make it in before nerfs. I've been geared for DS ever since the first week. I was even lucky enough for have 3 Piece set the first week from LFR. 2nd Week I had 4.

Finding a raid group that goes, is harder than you can imagine. This whole time DS has been out I AM STILL LOOKING. Sorry, we don't want a DPS let alone a mDPS. It's like Melee is the red headed step child. Raid Guilds are cliques to high heaven and back. You weren't around with sucky-now-raiding guild for 1, 2, 3, 4 yrs? Sorry. They'll give it to their Internetz friend. Don't know them IRL? Too bad, that Heroic Raid group will take Mr Leroy who will wipe them now and then over you. Don't tell me to tank either. I am here to play DPS and will do so. So don't tell me to go tank when YOU take Mr Rogue doing less than me and standing in fire. Don't try to excuse it with he has no choice but to DPS. He has same choice to roll a Tank as I do to be a Tank as well.

You can not stand in fire. You can do more than everyone in their damn raid (and I have pugged with some group and done more than ALL OF THEM!) Yet, do you get to raid hardcore? No. Do you get a spot? No.

Raiding is an extension of the Dungeon Finder to a worse degree. It's the whole, let's all vote to kick the non same guild as us guildie. Let's all NOT allow this person to progress. Oh crap, this person does better than us (Nerd rage!) let's NOT let them raid. Let's not let him come over and progress with us, our buddy Leroy Wiper might be left out. I swear people are the opposite what you'd expect. The better I do... the more people want to STOP me from raiding.

It's not a joke. So just shut the frick up when you tell me "You've had time." I've even moved servers and it's the same. No oppertunities.

So those world firsts? I'm pobably in their league. I do everything I can to be. But I'm thinking more and more the guilds that get there first, has more to do with who-you-know and cliques and gangs, than actual skill.

I still find it funny that the first Normal DS run I finnaly got to go on some time ago, was with a guild trying Heroic Ulx. I didn't mess up the Hour of Twilight once. Not once and I was completely new to it... and I did the 2nd highest dmg. LFR => Heroic. BAM! Seriously... I find heroic mode a joke in understanding the mechanics. That skill, quick learning, and adaptation doesn't apparently get people raiding nor get them 8/8H by now.

PS: Their team was full. Typical response. Yet they had to PuG me.

/rant off

This is just an observation, but maybe... Just maybe your "opportunities" are limited due to the attitude.

You seem to have a lot of hate to spread here... I doubt that this is limited to the forums.

Once agiain, just an observation.

I pugged a lot during Wrath on my Hunter. Mainly all I did with him was pugs. I ran into the same attitude. Would pug the weekly and we would see how much further we could go, Be told 'Hey we are raiding ICC this Thursday, should come along could use a hunter.' Log in, show up to be then told 'Hey Hunter Douche-bag just started playing again after 2 months and we know we told you the spot was yours, and we know you have better gear and can do better damage then him, we also know you are a lot more laid back and seem to just play and have fun, but hes been in and out of our guild for 4 years so we are taking him'. To then see Hunter Douche-bag a couple hours later trolling trade chat or what not.

lol yes they are wise.

If server firsts haven't been completed already, your realm obviously needs the nerf.

Nerfing LFR and normal mode is fine and generally to be expected. Nerfing hardmodes is a slap in the face to blizzard's hardcore community who not only isn't asking for nerfs but in most cases is flat out telling them they don't want these nerfs. The problem is now that LFR and Normal are retard-easy, the only "progression" blizzard can offer most players is hardmodes. Obviously trying to shoehorn LFR and normal mode players into hardmodes requires quite a bit of hand holding, thus the nerfs to hardmode.

I love those ''hardcore'' who are posting with some low lvls.

05/01/2012 09:53 AMPosted by Lastlaugh

Any guild that truly cares about their rankings, and has not cleared the content by this point, should really not be concerned their rankings.

Wait rankings other than top 3 world for lolpve even matter?

Dragonslayer's and their parses... what a joke.

Than again same thing is pretty much aimed towards PvP now. Multi r1 or nothing >.>

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You did read the part where you can talk to the NPC at the start and remove the nerf from your raid, right?

It's just there for people who are having trouble. If you and your guild want to keep fighting Deathwing without any of the nerfs up, go for it.

You can turn it off. This doesn't mean its an option for progression. The first thing many people look at when looking for a guild beyond raid size is the guild's progression. If there are two guilds, one at 6/8H using the debuff and one at 3/8H without the debuff, most potential recruits will go to the 6/8H guild first. While the 3/8H guild is probably the better of the two in terms of ability, they will get far fewer applicants than the 6/8H guild because their is nothing to differentiate them from the guilds that use the debuff. In a 25-man guild where recruitment is a constant necessity, if you turn off the debuff and fall behind in progression you could very well end up killing your guild through this.

That sure does sound like a problem for the serious hardcore guild...losing recruits to a similar progressed guild It also points out one glaring obvious truth...THERE ISN'T ENOUGH OF YOU....PEOPLE...WHO WANT TO DO CONTENT FOR THE CHALLENGE INSTEAD OF CONTENT FOR THE GEAR! After all, if you all TRULY wanted the challenge, guilds that didn't use the buff would be growing and expanding at alarming rates.

But nope...people value loot > challenge...which is what people like me claim all along (and are constantly proving right).

In the end...shut up and just play your own game and quit obsessing over . Use the buff or don't use the buff...people are going to flock to guilds offering them what they want (and who knows, maybe there is enough masochists who want to do the raids "pure"..ala no buff).

Now for the record...I don't support Blizzard nerfing heroic content until the next tier is out. However, for the life of me, I can't figure out why people obsess so hardcore over what others have and/or are doing. Nerf taking all the fun out of YOUR raid? Turn it off and enjoy your instantly harder raid...accept that there are consequences for your actions though.

To sum up my point:

Play your own game!

I pugged a lot during Wrath on my Hunter. Mainly all I did with him was pugs. I ran into the same attitude. Would pug the weekly and we would see how much further we could go, Be told 'Hey we are raiding ICC this Thursday, should come along could use a hunter.' Log in, show up to be then told 'Hey Hunter Douche-bag just started playing again after 2 months and we know we told you the spot was yours, and we know you have better gear and can do better damage then him, we also know you are a lot more laid back and seem to just play and have fun, but hes been in and out of our guild for 4 years so we are taking him'. To then see Hunter Douche-bag a couple hours later trolling trade chat or what not.

Something about this scenario is very unnatural. The behavior is not even romotely logical, which leads me to believe that SOMEWHERE wires got crossed.

There are a TON of possibilities (such as):

-The other hunter was a RL friend of a raid leader / guild master.

-They did not like you or think you were all that good, but pretended to in case they needed to fill a spot.

-They were just mean (which does happen) but you should have moved on to a new guild a lot quicker.

-You were good, but the other hunter was simply better... and they tried to spare your feelings.

It's hard to say.

It still could have been attitude though: Keep in mind that referring to someone as a Deuche-bag (even after all of this time) can still be seen as a sign of Douche-baggery in itself.

05/01/2012 09:54 AMPosted by Lectricity

As other people have posted, ICC had the same nerf as well. Get over yourself.

Sorry but this debuff is far worse than the 30% ICC, it was worse at the 15%, maybe even 10%.

04/28/2012 04:24 PMPosted by Simplify

If you don't know what you're doing PERIOD, you need to gtfo.

If you DO know, gtfo anyways. This game is a waste of your time.