I think Baval is her latest conquest. Why else would he defend her, even though he knows what she did is wrong, because he stated that the same thing has happened to him before as well?
Baval, all you have is the word of someone who /gkicked all of her guildies, packed up the guild bank, and left the server. Is it so hard to believe that she might be lying to you, too? Duping you like she duped all of these people?
I mean seriously, you weren't in the guild. You don't know what happened. You have all of these people telling you she is lying, but you believe her?
Hello, i know i said that i would not be back to this thread but before left i for my movie i saw Barraks response and felt his level headed disagreement deserved a reply and when i came back i saw this one as well, so i will respond to both here and continue to have civil conversations, but i will no longer respond to the others.
I am not her latest conquest, to the contrary i dated her many years ago and knew her longer before that. That said, i am not now and never have been biased in any situation and i believe in the truth. Tiasma has never lied to me in the past and we have disagreed on many things, some that caused her to stop talking to me for long periods of time because i refused to tell her she was right about what she was telling me about. On this matter as i have said i disagree partially with what she did but i also see her reasoning and cannot say i wouldnt have done the same in her position, thus i am defending her. Tiasma is basically a good person, she is just often hot headed.
Now on to Barrak. You make a lot of good points, which i will have to question her on. Some i feel are misunderstandings, such as where all that gold went, and others i think are exaggerations which have been made on both sides. On a case by case basis: I would see this as a betrayel unless it was for a specific reason brought up and agreed upon amongst all guild members. Ive seen lots of guilds branch off and curse their old guild and i cant blame her for assuming the same with this one. It seems she was not in clear understanding of what the money was used for. She is under the understanding that the money was taken to buy herbs and fish for future raids, and when the materials failed to appear in the guild bank she became suspicious. A misunderstanding. I agree this is a hole in her story that i didnt think about and will have to ask her about it, but as i said earlier she hasnt lied to me in the past and ive known her for many years. We all know that different GMs handle things differently and sometimes they make mistakes. I do know that the harassment did occur though because she took certain extreme measures to end it which i will not detail on a public forum without her permission. Just know that it goes far beyond and much more personal than anything she did in a game. As for not giving free guild transfers from what i understand a paid transfer takes at least a week and notifies all current guild members that it will be happening, so if she had paid for a guild transfer then it wouldnt have happened suddenly in the night as it did. Yes i admit that by the letter of the word "toon" there was no deception, but to the casual reader it incites far more anger to say "143 toons" than say "60 raiders and their alts" or something similar. Perhaps a poor choice of words and not an intentional deception, but im merely pointing out how it comes across. I know when i read "200+ toons lost their guild" the first thing i did was question her why she would let 200 people down like that.
You ask me why im trying to defend her. The answer is simple: she is and has been for a long time my friend. She didnt ask me to come here, the fact that i even know this thread exists is through casual conversation with another mutual friend. I trust she did what she thought was right at the time even if i disagree with it, and if as it seems it was not the best choice (as it seems this goes no farther than Merkava and his closest friends) I fully intend to try and convince her to make the situation right. But i will not see her called a vile person because of one mistake.