Cata, and how it actually increased subs.

50 Troll Shaman
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Cata gained subs at the start,but it only had three tiers and the last two only had 7-8 bosses, the subs dropped long after Cata launched, probably during 4.2/3. Expect subs to reach 12m+ a few months after MoP releases.
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100 Human Paladin
18365
Actually, subs dropped from the start. The problem wasn't the later tiers, it was the overall philosophy of the expansion, trying to make the players more hardcore.

MoP will show if they can recover from the mistake.
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87 Blood Elf Mage
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Wrath = Slightly easier = 12,000,000
Cata = Easy = 10,000,000
I'm not sure how you consider ICC and tier 11 even in the same league in terms of difficulty. ICC was faceroll.

Sno you really confuse me.
Edited by Ceratisa on 5/1/2012 4:24 PM PDT
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100 Human Paladin
18365
MoP will show if they can recover from the mistake.


Are you sure making the game easy mode isn't the actual mistake?


Yes, the timing of the sub loss, and their public statements, are not consistent with that.

"People quit in Cata because it was too easy" is the desperate Big Lie the hardcores and wannabe hardcores are spinning to try to prevent the inevitable. It's kind of sad, actually.
Edited by Osmeric on 5/1/2012 4:31 PM PDT
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90 Pandaren Shaman
11590
Vanilla = Hard = 5,000,000
B.C. = Hard = 10,000,000
Wrath = Easy = 12,000,000
Cata = Harder than wrath, easier than BC = 10,000,000


Fixed.

Seems as though the majority of people prefer easy games.

Yet despite higher sub numbers in Wrath, Blizz's profits are higher now than ever before. Sub numbers mean next to nothing compared to pure profit numbers.
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100 Human Paladin
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05/01/2012 04:34 PMPosted by Bobmuffins
Yet despite higher sub numbers in Wrath, Blizz's profits are higher now than ever before. Sub numbers mean next to nothing compared to pure profit numbers.


Blizzard quarterly net earnings declined sharply over 2011.
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90 Human Warlock
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05/01/2012 04:12 PMPosted by Blackgoddess
MoP will show if they can recover from the mistake.


Are you sure making the game easy mode isn't the actual mistake?


Well just look at WotLK, that was deemed the 'easiest' expansion, and it has the record for greatest amount of subscriptions held.
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71 Blood Elf Warrior
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Oh, for those of you that have seen the forums at every end of x=pac it is the same thing over and over. No difference.

At the end of BC it was.. "Vanilla was better BC ruined WoW, Arena and resilience killed PvP, WoW is doomed!"

End of wrath "OMG this x-pac sucks, subs are going down, welfare epics, Ulduar is dumb, TOC is a joke, ICC is a faceroll sham, BC was better"

End of Cata " Firelands was dumb, DS is faceroll, to many sub loses, WoW is doomed!, Blizzard ruined WoW, welfare epics, heroic are to easy, WoW is going down the drain"

And then at the end of mists we will see the same thing again... and over and over till WoW is completely done.
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100 Night Elf Hunter
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Vanilla = Hard = 5,000,000
B.C. = Hard = 10,000,000
Wrath = Easy = 12,000,000
Cata = Harder than wrath, easier than BC = 10,000,000


Fixed.

Seems as though the majority of people prefer easy games.

Yet despite higher sub numbers in Wrath, Blizz's profits are higher now than ever before. Sub numbers mean next to nothing compared to pure profit numbers.


How is cata harder than Wrath?

I guess we're not counting Firelands and Dragon Soul, eh?
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90 Goblin Priest
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Oh, for those of you that have seen the forums at every end of x=pac it is the same thing over and over. No difference.

At the end of BC it was.. "Vanilla was better BC ruined WoW, Arena and resilience killed PvP, WoW is doomed!"

End of wrath "OMG this x-pac sucks, subs are going down, welfare epics, Ulduar is dumb, TOC is a joke, ICC is a faceroll sham, BC was better"

End of Cata " Firelands was dumb, DS is faceroll, to many sub loses, WoW is doomed!, Blizzard ruined WoW, welfare epics, heroic are to easy, WoW is going down the drain"

And then at the end of mists we will see the same thing again... and over and over till WoW is completely done.


Except that there's legitimate, company stated numbers proving that Cataclysm was a worse expansion than Wrath of the Lich King. Blizzard is aware of this and will likely shift the game towards a Wrath of the Lich King model again.

I get what you are saying and, as a response to the "OMG IT'S THE END OF WOW" posts, you have a good post. But it is not particularly relevant to this thread and the issue it is discussing, I feel.
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90 Human Warlock
9810


Fixed.

Seems as though the majority of people prefer easy games.

Yet despite higher sub numbers in Wrath, Blizz's profits are higher now than ever before. Sub numbers mean next to nothing compared to pure profit numbers.


How is cata harder than Wrath?

I guess we're not counting Firelands and Dragon Soul, eh?


The majority of Cata was easily more difficult than Wrath, the only thing 'easier' would be the raid finder, which is this patch, the last patch of the expansion.
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10 Tauren Warrior
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05/01/2012 03:57 PMPosted by Beanton
the subs dropped long after Cata launched, probably during 4.2/3.


Trollololo? Subs began dropping the same quarter Cata launched.
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100 Draenei Mage
4205
05/01/2012 03:57 PMPosted by Beanton
Cata gained subs at the start,but it only had three tiers and the last two only had 7-8 bosses, the subs dropped long after Cata launched, probably during 4.2/3.


WoW hits 12 million ~Oct 7th 2010
Cata launches Dec 7 2010
Blizz announced 600k loss (down to 11.4 mill) May 10 2011
2nd raid tier of Cata (4.2) Jun 24 2011

Sorry OP, the facts do not support your hypothesis.
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