Draenei Warlocks?

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100 Human Warlock
12820
This was a topic that was brought up pre-Cata. And recently I began to delve back in.

Why was it that Draenei got jipped out of the new class throng? They were the only one that didn’t get some new class.

Many said: “What class would they even be?” Rogues I definitely couldn’t see. Can’t see them being all that stealthy w/ hooves. Granted Satyrs are pretty sneaky, hmm. I could see them being Druids. Why not? Their attuned to the world in a way as it is, being Shaman and all. Only other class: Warlocks. I actually like the idea of Draenei Warlocks.

Many response to this: “They can’t be warlocks! Their beings of the Light.” Yea we won’t get into how humans can be locks and still have paladins and priests, will we? I haven’t rly heard any good argument as to why not. Blizz gave Mages back to the Night Elf population, why not give locks back to the Draenei. Let’s just go off lore for a moment (Reader’s Digest version).

So once upon a time (10,000+ years ago) Mages ran the Night Elf population for the most part. They were the elites of their race, every Night Elf had/has a bit of sorcery in them. The Highbourne (that would later become the Quel’Dorei AKA High Elves, which would become the Blood Elves) helped bring the coming of the first invasion of the Burning Legion into Azeroth. Malfurion became all uber Druid powerful, Illidan become a twisted demon-magic hungry sorcerer (That later we would be killing in Outlands) and together they saved the day (Woohoo! And Malfurion got the girl). The High Elves that were left that hadn’t been turned into Satyrs or plunged into the sea and became Naga eventually traveled across the world to what would eventually be called the Eastern Kingdoms and some resided in Diremaul. They became exiles…. Now some are back w/ their Night Elf cousins and STILL trying to wreak havoc on their population (not intentionally, but still) but Tyrande and Malfurion keep them around. Ok. Fine.

Now let us go to the Draenei side of it. Long ago, on the planet of Argus, the eredar race arose. They were extremely intelligent and had a natural affinity for magic in all of its forms. At some point, they are visited by a being of light, Naaru. They gifted the eredar with the sacred ata'mal crystals, which enhance their intellect and help them unravel the mysteries of the universe. And they lived in peace and prospered for many-many-many years. It wasn’t until their 3 leaders Velen, Archimonde and Kil’Jaeden were approached by Sargeras w/ a promise of more power. Velen w/ the help of the Naaru saw thru this ploy and saw what his people were to become. Demons. Not able to convince his fellow “brothers” he and some eredar fled their home world and became known as Draenei which means “exiled ones” in their language. 25,000 years or so passed, after traveling the universe and exploring many worlds, they had been living on Draenor(which we know as the Outlands). There was a war w/ the orcs thanks to Kil’jaeden and his driven goal to break Velen for his “betrayal”. Velen again managed to flee at the very end w/ a few survivors of this “purging”, while many stayed behind to distract the blood-crazed Horde. As we later find out, not all the Draenei that were left behind in the Outlands were killed. They, like most of the orcs, fell prey to the demons' sinister influence and were changed by the corruption and became The Broken. You may note Nobundo in the Exodar is called The Broken, he had brought Shamanism to his race. You may also remember in Nagrand the Kurenei are mostly consisted of Broken. And even now in the Swamp of Sorrows they live at the Harborage as a neutral faction.

Despite the (in most cases) accidental regression into Broken draenei, many draenei not only distrust them but despise them. Although understandable of those Broken draenei who remain corrupted or in service to the Legion, one would think that the draenei would be willing to welcome any of their people that survived the orcs' genocide. Talking with Nobundo, however, reveals a possible reason for this distrust and hatred. Broken draenei are unable to draw upon the Light's powers, being infused with fel energies. The draenei, being deeply religious, could view this in very negative context. The fact there are so many Broken draenei working in and on the Exodar is a testament to Velen's unending compassion for his people.

Ok, the Draenei portion was a bit more lengthy then I was wanted. Que-sera.
Now, I hope you all took note of the natural affinity for magic in all of its forms. They do have Mages which in no way draws upon the Light. In most cases throughout WoW lore, Mages have been considered “damned souls”. Paladins especially look upon Mages with distaste and animosity.

So why couldn’t it be fusible that Draenei would delve into fel energies and not become completely twisted and corrupted by it like the Broken? It has been shown on at least 2 instances 3 Draenei that weren’t physically changed. The Eredar Twins in Sunwell Plateau, and Sironas on Bloodmyst Isle(other than horn formation and slight change in skin color). Yes granted they were still working for the Legion, but with the right guidance (like human, Gnome, Dwarf, ect) they can be made into a formidable weapon of good.

Now another response: “The Draenei didn’t get another class because they didn’t need one. This was a method to balance out the races w/ Pure DPS, Healers and Tanks.” Seriously? Cuz the Humans, that already had Mages, Warlocks, and Rogues needed yet ANOTHER pure DPS class w/ the Hunter. And Tauren NEEDED to become holy cows w/ the Paladin, seeing as they already had the Druid (Don’t think there is another race that has both the classes that has the ability to be all 3 specs). If you couldn’t detect it, the last statements were dripping w/ sarcasm.

So to wrap this up, I have yet to come across a good argument why Draenei couldn’t be Warlocks. Yes now w/ the coming of Mists of Pandaria Draenei are getting the Monk, we won’t go into how almost all the races are getting that (think the only one that isn’t, is the Goblin).
42 Blood Elf Paladin
2535
Mages may be on the path towards something potentially "evil," at least in some cases, but there is no gray area with warlocks. Warlocks summon and control demons from the hell dimensions, syphon health from others, and compartmentalize souls and soul fragments into physical objects. I could not imagine a more anathema class for the draenei race.
85 Human Mage
2330
05/21/2012 01:42 PMPosted by Angèl
Many response to this: “They can’t be warlocks! Their beings of the Light.” Yea we won’t get into how humans can be locks and still have paladins and priests, will we?


Because humans aren't beings of the Light. There are wicked humans as well as holy humans. You ever see a wicked Draenei?
Also, that's the real reason they can't be rogues as well. Sure the hoof thing is funny (ish). But they aren't rogues and warlocks because their society believes they are dishonorable. Same with Tauren.
90 Blood Elf Warlock
6215
LOLORE

I mean really who gives a crap i would love draenei locks.

And its not like they retcon stuff all the time right?

Just look at pandas they were an april fools joke for gods sake.
85 Human Mage
2330
05/21/2012 01:53 PMPosted by Immolatus
LOLORE


That doesn't mean anyone has to like it, or request that we ignore lore some more.
85 Blood Elf Warlock
1105
That would be as dumb as Night Elf mages........ oh wait.
85 Human Mage
2330
05/21/2012 01:57 PMPosted by Sylvanasslav
That would be as dumb as Night Elf mages........ oh wait.


No. More. Because, as stated, by simply becoming warlocks, they would cease to be Draenei. Night Elf mages don't stop being Night Elves.
42 Blood Elf Paladin
2535
05/21/2012 01:57 PMPosted by Sylvanasslav
That would be as dumb as Night Elf mages........ oh wait.


The night elves of Shen'dralar were practicing arcane magic for thousands and thousands of years. New night elf mages are taught by those mages. They even had an emmissary in Darn for a while before Cata launched, as the Shen'dralar and the night elves of Darnassus have, at long last, resumed their relationships after eons of mistrust and separation.

You really should read the in-game events and lore notes before calling something dumb.
86 Dwarf Hunter
8500
I think Draenei Warlocks is a compelling idea. Touched by darkness, but did not betray the Light.
90 Orc Shaman
16070
05/21/2012 02:07 PMPosted by Hixson
Touched by darkness


closer to.... bathing in darkness, fel fire and the blood of virgins.

really not able to stay with the light after that
42 Blood Elf Paladin
2535
LOLORE

I mean really who gives a crap i would love draenei locks.

And its not like they retcon stuff all the time right?

Just look at pandas they were an april fools joke for gods sake.


They were also in WC3...

>_>

And back on the OP's line of thinking, Hixson makes an interesting point, as does the OP. After all, as the OP points out (twice), the draenei are very much magically inclined, so it should be *possible* for a draenei to learn the ways of the warlock, albeit it would be a decision that would lead to ostracism. Then again, even human warlocks tend to be on the fringes (training in basements and out of the way places a lot of the time).

It's an interesting idea.
85 Human Warlock
6680
05/21/2012 02:01 PMPosted by Opaal
No. More. Because, as stated, by simply becoming warlocks, they would cease to be Draenei. Night Elf mages don't stop being Night Elves.


Just because... you say so? Draenei are Eredar, they aren't a different race, they are simply called that way because they are a small group that didn't join the Legion.

To be true, any race that can be a spellcaster like mages should be able to be warlocks. The EXACT concept of warlocks is about a few, very few individuals that desire power. Warlocks, even considering they look for training and knowledge, they do it by themself, they don't even need an order to be warlocks, specially because all societies have their fears about them.

05/21/2012 01:53 PMPosted by Immolatus
And its not like they retcon stuff all the time right?


No retcon required. They don't break lore. They would simply won't be Light worshipper type.
85 Orc Warrior
4890
The only way the Draenei could be warlocks would be if the Dreadlords corrupted them like they do everything else in the wow universe. As far as I know since they have the gift of the naaru they'll become something more than just a warlock.
Edited by Captåmerica on 5/21/2012 2:16 PM PDT
90 Human Paladin
14345


Just because... you say so? Draenei are Eredar, they aren't a different race, they are simply called that way because they are a small group that didn't join the Legion.



Not because she says so. Because Blizzard says that it's a core part of who they are. Eredar who accept teachings of fel magic become man'ari. That is that. There is no middle ground. And -all- Draenei are Light-worshipping. Velen is their Priest-king, and the draenei, all of them, were saved by the Naaru.
100 Troll Priest
19385
A Draenei Warlock would be killed on sight by any Draenei guard or Vindicator. There aren't even any Warlock trainers in the 2 Draenei zones.

Night Elf Mages are more understandable because they're not as despised in their respective society.

HOWEVER, I could potentially see Draenei Locks as a "fight fire with fire" type of thing.
1 Troll Mage
0
Draenei are the weirdest race.

They took the race that had the most definitive Rogues in WCIII. Akama and pals had stealth and stabbed people from stealth. The Orc Blademaster was the only other unit that even came close to being rogue-like.

They cross-bred them (or decided-they-always-were) with a race that are the definitive, ultimate Warlocks of the Warcraft setting.

And produced a race that can't be either.
90 Human Paladin
5045
If a Draenei became a Warlock, he'd essentially be turning into an Eredar. Good luck trying to walk around NOT being ridiculously evil as an Eredar, and then having everyone NOT automatically kill you, especially your fellow Draenei.
1 Troll Mage
0
Also, yeah, totally, Draenei are light-worshipers, all Draenei bow to the Naaru, and go Naaru are number one. Yes, they are ridiculously one-dimensional.

Maybe it's time to make them less one-dimensional.

Because it's pretty clear that even Blizzard are bored with Draenei in their current state. They barely use the race at all. Your "pure and holy" Draenei are like a pretty, glowy statue that sits in the very back and just gathers dust.
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