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Save Beastmaster pets.
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As a BM lover, I have no problem with MM/SV having access to the raid utility Exotic pets can bring, as long as the Exotic pets only have one family ability (instead of two, that should be a BM perk, and should apply to all pets, not just Exotics) , and maybe require MM/SV (but not BM) to burn a minor glyph in order to use them.
Exotic pets don't make our spec, big beefy destructive beasts in general make our spec. |
Hi fellow hunters, if you read the MOP forums you will notice a female Worgen is trying to convince Blizzard to allow all specs to have Exotic Pets! I gotta agree with this guy. I like the flavor of the exotic pets. Only thing that bothers me is no matter what spec we are in we carry the same five pets. This makes it hard to have the pets you need at all times. Personally the pet system should work like glyphs where you can swap between different pet lines. That way if you were BM you could have all exotics at one time while you're non BM spec could have five different choice pets, but you would only be allowed to select pets from you active tamed pet line. |
MM has the best self heals this is very useful in pve, SV has the best single target dps granted that is not all by black arrow but without it they would have a lot less dps and Beast mastery was the neat special pets tied to a couple more pet skill points this will change in MoP where beast mastery no longer gives extra points and the chance to maybe bring a buff to the raid or fairly small heals once in a while if they use the right pet or are lucky enough to have one.....yes your logic is great. Exotic pets being tied to beast mastery is not something new you all went beast mastery to get said pets if you have them knowing that you would only be able to use them as a Beast Master. We should just roll all the specs together because I think chimera shot is awesome and I think it's silly to have it tied to a spec that I am not.....yup. |
I actually don't want MM/SV hunters to be "encouraged" to swap out of their preferred specs in order to bring a raid utility that only BM can bring, when every other pure is losing their spec specific raid utility (either by becoming baseline, or by being removed completely). It will serve nothing than breed resentment, and "force" every "good" raiding hunter to have a BM off spec, even if they would rather have MM/SV available. |
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BM is gaining access to the some of the best trade mark abilities of the other 2 specs (Wyvern, Silencing Shot, Readiness...), and you don't think BM should give back for that?
Stupid... |
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I actually don't want MM/SV hunters to be "encouraged" to swap out of their preferred specs in order to bring a raid utility that only BM can bring, when every other pure is losing their spec specific raid utility (either by becoming baseline, or by being removed completely). It will serve nothing than breed resentment, and "force" every "good" raiding hunter to have a BM off spec, even if they would rather have MM/SV available.[/quote] What? There are two exotic pets off of the top of my head that "could" bring a raid buff in live (one of those buffs only being fortitude buff and not really that important) but you don't really see any raid groups telling hunters to go BM for a buff because MM and SV have access to a slew of pets that also offer a raid buff and I bet a lot of 10 mans are missing more than one of those buffs as well as both having a spec raid buff (trueshot aura and hunting party) |
BM is gaining access to the some of the best trade mark abilities of the other 2 specs (Wyvern, Silencing Shot, Readiness...), and you don't think BM should give back for that? CTHC, Intimidation, Fervor and currently on live you can spec into spirit bond if you really want too. Allllllrighty then! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-calculator#Y! |
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Edited by Phaelle on 5/23/12 10:27 AM (PDT)
Intimidation will never be taken by any hunter over 1800 because of Silencing shot. So access to that is a HUGE plus for BM because hunters don't have issues with melee, they only have issues with wizards. Fervor will never be taken over readiness. So once again MM will be taking these as usual, but BM has HUGE gains from having the ability to use these. CTHC is a decent one, but still not nearly as much of a gain as what BM is taking. Spirit Bond is garbage on live. Any hunter over 1500 should know all of this. I don't know why this all needs to literally be spelled out for people anymore... |
I don't know why this needs to be spelled out but because you don't view it as good and we lose 4 abilities compared to your three you are entitled to more? and when did this go to a PvP conversation I love how you try to flaunt the PvP flag when this whole thread has nothing to do with it. |
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Edited by Phaelle on 5/23/12 11:13 AM (PDT)
You're not losing anything because nobody wants it in the first place. Saying "oh I just gained/took Silencing Shot/readiness? but you got fervor and intimidation" is like saying "oh I now own rights to your Corvette and Mansion? That's okay you can't have access to any of the good stuff I have but feel free to use my Fisher Price Big-Wheel and Dog house!!" I'm posting on the PvP side of things because that's where it's a HUGE loss in favor of no gains for these specs since the OP never specified PvP or PvE over the other. |
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All good feedback guys, we hunters are the best community in WOW for sure.
I do respect your opinion Phaelle, however i have learned in my years of playing that no other class loves a specific spec and gameplay style more than the Beastmaster Hunters. Exotic Beasts are part of the "feeling" of being a BM hunter. Another point, no hunter loves his pet more than a fulltime BM, if a survival hunter considers his best friend just a "TOOL" or a shiny cute thing to carry around, well he should not be allowed to tame the Mighty Beasts. But be cool please, just opinions. |
Fort Buff is on a Tenacity pet (now) - not worth going BM Bloodlust is available from all mages and all shamans, not many 10-mans won't have one of those But, in MoP, we are also getting a BRez, and there are plenty of 10-mans who don't have a DK, Lock, or Druid, and even then, having a 2nd BRez available, even if you can only use one per attempt, is generally a good idea because your sole BRezzer might be the one who croaks. Also, BM has significant (and sometimes uncontrollable) mechanic issues which makes going BM a loss more often than not, and you really don't gain anything except maybe +3% damage (and in a 10-man, you might cover that difference with the raid buff). |
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It'd be nice from the perspective of choosing which pets to have with you. These days I usually run with mostly or all non-exotics, despite mainspeccing BM, because I need non-exotics in the situations I swap to SV.
I do hope BM keeps the 'unique' cooldowns situation with pets, or gains even more in this area. Anything a class brings that's unique or semi-unique (battle rez, Heroism, Skull Banner, Symbiosis, etc.) would be nice to have on an exotic pet, at least if it's somehow mutually exclusive with the 'real' thing to avoid creating too many balance issues (such as Sated/battle rez counters). |
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If Exotic pets are actually the "lifeblood" of BM, then the spec needs to be evaluated and/or completely redesigned. Having shiny textures on your pet should not define the spec, gameplay should. As the OP said, everyone should go read that thread in the MoP forums. BM hunters seem to have the misconception that this is "taking something" away, when in fact what is being suggested would give them MORE options. Here is the link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4926863055?page=1 Bullet makes the point very well, but I will repeat what I have said over and over since the ability was first implemented... What if you are a BM hunter who enjoys the playstyle but does not care about finding and training exotics? They are basically S.O.L. Example: If you are BM and like wolf models, sure you COULD use it but no one will when a Devilsaur (exotic) has the same buff AND a healing debuff. You COULD use a wolf, but almost all will use a Devilsaur. Don't kid yourselves either and tell me otherwise. You would be gimping yourself. For me personally, I do not care 1 bit about all the different pet skins. I have used the same 2 pets pretty much since vanilla; a plain old cat and a plain old wolf. The entire reason I stop running BM was because of THAT talent. Every single pet family should have a special BM only ability. Exotic pet ABILITY >>> Exotic pet SKIN. |
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That actually sounds like something i could get behind. |
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Phaelle look at your posts now look at the thread posters first post now tell me how having an exotic pet skin would make you better in pvp or has any effect on any game play not cosmetic on anything? That was what I was talking about.
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Edited by Phaelle on 5/23/12 2:13 PM (PDT)
If it doesn't effect gameplay, then why shouldn't all hunters be able to tame whichever pet they choose for looks while BM retains the special abilities? Why should only the casual players who enjoy pokemon be allowed to take out cool looking pets? I'm one of the best hunters in my entire battlegroup, but because I'm required to spec for performance I'd have to respec every time I so much as even want to take out a spirit beast. Is that fair? Should I be punished for being amazing at my class? My preferred spec is already handing away all its amazingness with absolutely nothing worthwhile in return, yet the spec I like the least retains a large amount of Unique flavor that my spec is not allowed to do. Why should BM be the only spec in the class that retains unique aesthetics that none of the other 2 specs are so much as even allowed to touch unless under constant hassle of having to constantly respec? Why can't the entire class take advantage of these aesthetics especially considering those of us who perform at a top level are often pidgeon-holed into 1 spec to compete with the top 1-.5% of our battlegroups, or raid DPS but can hardly ever enjoy this on a regular basis? |
So just because it does not have an effect on game play mechanics all hunters should get it? and what are you talking about casual players who enjoy Pokemon? I play BM in pvp because I like how it plays and I like my pet being a part of my spec and dps instead of just being a web vomiting machine and I have a lot more fun as BM then I did as MM even if the game did not have "exotic" pets I know I would still play BM, but I don't feel that BM should be dummed down exotic pets identify with Beast Masters we really don't need more of hunter specs becoming the same things across the board. You would get your points across much better if you toned down the insults and stopped vehemently waving your pvp flag in everyone's face, we get it you are so pro. |
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Edited by Novikova on 5/23/12 7:17 PM (PDT)
I don't mind the exotics for all, so long as BM gets the extra abilities or something in compensation. More of my hunter friends would be happy.
I see no reason to deny someone happiness for the sake of selfishness. So long as there is balance. |
