Mists of Pandaria and...it's point?

100 Troll Warrior
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06/28/2012 04:54 PMPosted by Kanoi
Did you even go to Uldum?


I meant when I see not if I saw. It was a reference to his over use in uldum and the upcoming kungfu panda expansion. I do apologize for the miss-communication.
What will the panda race be in china , I dont think you can have pandas over there ?
100 Gnome Priest
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06/28/2012 02:55 PMPosted by Nethaera
I'm not trying to rant so don't take this as a hate thread, but I need a question answered...what's the point of pandaria? The rest of the expansions made sense whether you liked them or not...started in vanilla it was after WC3 if you played that...then the dark portal opened so we had to go back there to fight them...then the scourge became an even bigger issue so we fought them in lich king, all of these tied together with the original stories from warcraft. Even cataclysm, even though it's not my favorite kind of makes sense in a way story wise...but then pandaria, I just don't understand how that made sense in any of the story when their main goal was to be an april fools joke not a piece of lore...anyone care to enlighten me?


Mists of Pandaria is sort of getting back to what we did in the original release of World of Warcraft. If you recall (if you were here then), there was no ultimate unified story of "here is the bad guy/gal go kill them". It was more focused on the conflict between the Horde and the Alliance with some additional Azerothian dangers mixed in.

With Mists of Pandaria, we've really wanted to add it in for awhile because the idea of the pandaren evolved over time and became something more. (At one point it was considered for Burning Crusade.)

So, that said, in the expansion, we're sort of going back to our roots of adventure, exploration, and that ongoing conflict between the Horde and the Alliance. Thus, the point of it all. You'll get to explore Pandaria, meet the pandaren and the denizens of that area of the world, and will be embroiled in the not so happy history between the Horde and Alliance.


This sounds awesome. I cant wait!!
100 Human Paladin
11415
The original Good Guys of Azeroth wake up and realize that the Horde (esp. the orcs) simply does not belong in Azeroth, and assist them in their re-location.

It looks like we're back to the good, ole Warcraft 2 days; we're going to see a lot more War in this World of Warcraft.


Its not war in the traditional Warcraft style though, its like Saturday morning cartoon war with (spoiler alert) "bunny rabbit dungeons" and "varmints stealing our vegetables".

Not an undead legion raining from the sky while orcs and humans fight on an abandoned field, not a fallen prince strutting into a throne room and brutally "succeeding" his father.


Granted, Arthas was a pretty good villain in War 3 and WotLK, but imo, Warcraft 3s attempt to make the Horde look better than they are was a mistake. Truely compelling storylines have always been told in terms of black and white, not this post-modernist gray that has infected warcraft lore.

And, hey, there are some that really do like being the Bad Guy.

I hope this gets rectified in MoP; I want to see the final cut scene showing the Alliance supervising Thrall and his minions marching back to Outland thru the Dark Portal
90 Blood Elf Paladin
7025
I think this is to introduce some new (alot) changes to the game. Don't you remember at Blizz-con if you where there. He said think of this as the calm before the storm. All of the expansions have been pretty much recycled storyline. The dark portal was already opened before BC, arthas had all ready destroyed much of civilization and was never any less evil before wotlk. Deathwing has been killed... twice... now three times. But i think maybe after MOP we might get to see Sargeras who if you do not know is the big boss of world of warcraft. he is the most powerful evil thing that is in the warcraft lore. Along side the other titans. I think this patch is mostly for getting around the new game play and enjoying it all. then the storm comes. Think of it as like a television show and we are having a filler season.
06/28/2012 04:15 PMPosted by Nethaera
There will be lore. Oh yes, there will be.


Ah, but will it be good lore?

I'm just teasin' ya, Neth. :P
100 Troll Warrior
15840
Granted, Arthas was a pretty good villain in War 3 and WotLK, but imo, Warcraft 3s attempt to make the Horde look better than they are was a mistake. Truely compelling storylines have always been told in terms of black and white, not this post-modernist gray that has infected warcraft lore.

And, hey, there are some that really do like being the Bad Guy.

I hope this gets rectified in MoP; I want to see the final cut scene showing the Alliance supervising Thrall and his minions marching back to Outland thru the Dark Portal


Either way blizz has lost my sub once the 12 month conjob is done (unless they open classic realms).

I like the idea of retribution which is what wc3 was about. Grom re-corrupted the orcs but ultimately he gave them hope. No matter how low they sunk they can always choose for themselves. Thrall saw honnor in the horde from the word go and strives to do things to his own sense of morals. Thats what attracted me to the horde a sense of moral ambiguity, strength is what determines right from wrong because ultimately they are subjective viewpoints.

They can go back to making a black and white good/evil story but when I see dishonest misinformation being spread and out of context claims designed to hype up interest in a flailing game, I feel remorse for the great game this once was and could have been.
100 Troll Warrior
15840
06/28/2012 05:08 PMPosted by Kiskay
Think of it as like a television show and we are having a filler season


Not very compelling for a subscription based service and greatly accelerating expansion releases. See you next series when we finally have something interesting to watch.
100 Human Paladin
11415
Granted, Arthas was a pretty good villain in War 3 and WotLK, but imo, Warcraft 3s attempt to make the Horde look better than they are was a mistake. Truely compelling storylines have always been told in terms of black and white, not this post-modernist gray that has infected warcraft lore.

And, hey, there are some that really do like being the Bad Guy.

I hope this gets rectified in MoP; I want to see the final cut scene showing the Alliance supervising Thrall and his minions marching back to Outland thru the Dark Portal


Either way blizz has lost my sub once the 12 month conjob is done (unless they open classic realms).

I like the idea of retribution which is what wc3 was about. Grom re-corrupted the orcs but ultimately he gave them hope. No matter how low they sunk they can always choose for themselves. Thrall saw honnor in the horde from the word go and strives to do things to his own sense of morals. Thats what attracted me to the horde a sense of moral ambiguity, strength is what determines right from wrong because ultimately they are subjective viewpoints.

They can go back to making a black and white good/evil story but when I see dishonest misinformation being spread and out of context claims designed to hype up interest in a flailing game, I feel remorse for the great game this once was and could have been.


I think moral ambiguity attracts a lot of people (though I believe the entertainment industry in general is responsible for that, just compare Old Battlestar Galactica with the new one, or that TV Series Heroes {which I mostly liked}) and as much as I would like to see a good, old fashioned Good vs Evil story again, I don't see it happening. North American Culture has turned that corner and is uncomfortable with ideas such as Absolute Truth, non-situational ethics and a traditional definition of Good vs Evil.

Even if people will not publically support it, they are hungry for it; look at the success of the Lord of the Rings movies, one of the most blatantly Good vs Evil stories out there.

I really do hope Blizzard can shift gears with this new expansion
85 Worgen Druid
6665
The point of MoP:
To have a new continent we can travel to in order murder the native wildlife and drag any indigenous peoples into our problems, all the while being interested only in whether or not the things we're killing drop new clothes for us to wear.
90 Human Death Knight
0

There's so many people that seem too stuck on thinking that there can be no new lore for World of Warcraft. I don't understand the thinking for this.


That's probably because you have the ability to critically think and process information in a reasonable manner. You also probably have a reasonable level of social skills which enable you to think like a rational human being.

When I see stuff like the whole "It wuz and Apul Fols Jok" and "Where's the LORE!!!!!" and "Alliance is being treated unfairly." All I can think of is HUNDREDS of Sheldon Coopers in various degree's of intelligence demanding their moms take them to the train store because Basiok hurt their feelers.
90 Draenei Paladin
12105
06/28/2012 04:06 PMPosted by Therealgor
in my unbiased humble opinion

06/28/2012 04:06 PMPosted by Therealgor
unbiased

06/28/2012 04:06 PMPosted by Therealgor
opinion


What?

06/28/2012 04:06 PMPosted by Therealgor
The content is no way near as dark in nature


WHAT??!?!

Are you sure you're not here talking about Diablo? I don't remember warcraft EVER being "dark in nature".
90 Human Death Knight
0
@the whole "April Fools joke" people:

Afaik Metzen had both illustrated and had given the Pandaren a page in the published original Monsters manual for the table top edition of Warcraft BEFORE all the crap you people refer to and possibly even the inception of the video game series. (I can't remember the dates even though I remember playing WC1 fondly as a 15 yo after school and work.)

I'm 99% sure there is proof of it. Iirc Bash linked it a little while after Blizzcon to shut people up. Strangely I've NEVER seen a single whiner include that point when arguing against it.

I'm way to lazy to look it up but the drawing is of a Pandaren, a (one of those damn bear things from felwood) a gnome and some other creature in it. Yeah I realize the memory is a little shaky but in general its correct even if the details are a tad fuzzy.
100 Troll Warrior
15840

Are you sure you're not here talking about Diablo? I don't remember warcraft EVER being "dark in nature".


Lets start out with good ole baby killing, the dehumanizing effects of war (see demonic corruption), racial (special) oppression and segregation, regicide, the failure of bureaucratic governments (there inability to deal with the scourge), life and death, life after death, the craziness of fanatical religion (scarlet crusade), betrayel, redemption, heck throw some political turmoil and power struggles in there as well.

Have we been playing different games...
100 Troll Warrior
15840
@the whole "April Fools joke" people:

Afaik Metzen had both illustrated and had given the Pandaren a page in the published original Monsters manual for the table top edition of Warcraft BEFORE all the crap you people refer to and possibly even the inception of the video game series. (I can't remember the dates even though I remember playing WC1 fondly as a 15 yo after school and work.)

I'm 99% sure there is proof of it. Iirc Bash linked it a little while after Blizzcon to shut people up. Strangely I've NEVER seen a single whiner include that point when arguing against it.

I'm way to lazy to look it up but the drawing is of a Pandaren, a (one of those damn bear things from felwood) a gnome and some other creature in it. Yeah I realize the memory is a little shaky but in general its correct even if the details are a tad fuzzy.


Look dude preliminary sketches and concept artwork don't mean anything, we have Tauren space marine concept art as well. If blizz came out with the world of warcraft: Infinitiy and beyond expac, we would call it a toy story rip off. The fact blizzard had space marine concept art before toy story wouldn't matter its the audiences association with the material and the lack of separation of that material (artistically and thematically the two materials are very close together heck (kungdu panda, mists of pandaria).

At some point a conscious decision was made internally that Panda's do not fit into the warcraft mythos and were more of a gag of WC3, thus the material was used in an April fools joke. Now a few years later running low on creativity that April fools joke is being implemented. Its evidence of a creativity vacuum, "we can't come up with anything new or interesting, lets just flesh out an old April fools gag into an expansion".
06/28/2012 04:15 PMPosted by Nethaera
There will be lore. Oh yes, there will be.


Oh yeah!! Lore!!!!

*cheers*
85 Worgen Warrior
1635
I can't wait for MoP either, I was often wondering why is the conflict between the Horde and the Alliance always a minor thing in the shadow of some greater evil.
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