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hey guys was wondering if someone could possibly post a good sub spec if its still the best for hm spine i know im behind on progression but either way i've been combat for it and my dmg ont he tendon is right behind our arcane mage's but our group doesn't have alot of burst dps so im looking to get more output during that phase so if anyone with a good amount of experience on downing this boss could toss me some pointers i'd appreciate it, thnx.

Best HM spine guide I know starts here:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2369743517?page=11#201

Truthfully, you're better off getting the cookie cutter Sub spec. Tendon damage isn't all there is to the fight, and you're losing a lot of Amal damage by taking the H Spine spec. The faster the Amal dies --> the faster you win. Look at the guide Verelyse linked and play with the rotation. Good luck on the kill!

07/19/2012 12:59 PMPosted by Insertion

Truthfully, you're better off getting the cookie cutter Sub spec. Tendon damage isn't all there is to the fight, and you're losing a lot of Amal damage by taking the H Spine spec. The faster the Amal dies --> the faster you win. Look at the guide Verelyse linked and play with the rotation. Good luck on the kill!

And if the burning tendon doesn't die, you don't win at all.

It makes sense to concentrate on the primary objective until your raid exceeds it.

It makes sense to concentrate on the primary objective until your raid exceeds it.

I understand that. He asked for advise on the fight and I gave my two cents. What I said was the exact thing barring us from the fight during progression (albeit 20% nerf). If the amal is dying within a reasonable time and there are no wipes due to plate transfers or amal explosions, then yeah, go balls to the wall on the tendon. Just stating that the tendon isn't the centerpiece of the fight.

07/19/2012 01:29 PMPosted by Insertion

It makes sense to concentrate on the primary objective until your raid exceeds it.

I understand that. He asked for advise on the fight and I gave my two cents. What I said was the exact thing barring us from the fight during progression (albeit 20% nerf). If the amal is dying within a reasonable time and there are no wipes due to plate transfers or amal explosions, then yeah, go balls to the wall on the tendon. Just stating that the tendon isn't the centerpiece of the fight.

That seems... weird...

But spine is a weird fight I guess, and it could also depend on raid comp quite a bit as well.

Yes it is. If your guild lacks the DPs to kill the tendons to kill it within two exposes, you wont kill it. On the third plate you can kite harder or what have you, but you need to get it within two exposes.

Once again - just giving my two cents. He didn't say they weren't getting it down, he just said they didn't have much burst DPS and asked for overall advise.

While the damage increase from going H Spine spec + double wound poison is noticeable, it won't make or break the phase if the rest of the group isn't putting out proper damage. With the cookie cutter sub spec, as Combat reforge, using the rotation given in Caera's guide, I manage around 1.1m-1.5m per opening. While this is in almost full HM gear, he seems to have everything but Spine/Madness on farm anyway.

You can use the same "if you don't get it, you lose" logic on the Amal. If the Amal is alive too long you get overrun with bloods (unless you have respectable cleave), take too much raid damage and eventually wipe due to oom healers or the bloods pounding someone in the face.

There are multiple things that can wipe you on H Spine. I'm just letting him know there's more to it than Tendon damage.

You can use the same "if you don't get it, you lose" logic on the Amal. If the Amal is alive too long you get overrun with bloods (unless you have respectable cleave), take too much raid damage and eventually wipe due to oom healers or the bloods pounding someone in the face.

Don't tell me you guys tried to brute force AE the bloods down rather than kite them on the third plate, second expose.

No?

I see these concerns a lot. Bloods, or Amalgs. There's lot's of room for personal perspective bias, but from my own experience on this fight the Amalg dies almost too fast, even pre-nerfs. By the time we were killing it we were able to push the Amalg into a nuclear blast before people even had CDs for the tendon available and had to almost hold off just to ensure we didn't over-compromise our Tendon DPS. So I've never really understood the concern people place on focusing on Amalg DPS instead of Tendon DPS.

07/19/2012 01:52 PMPosted by Insertion

He didn't say they weren't getting it down, he just said they didn't have much burst DPS and asked for overall advise.

If he's saying that they need more burst dps I'd bet my left arm that he's referring to them having issues killing the tendon fast enough, since that's where the burst dps is required.

So yes, yes he did say that they weren't getting it down.

07/19/2012 03:53 PMPosted by Pancakê

He didn't say they weren't getting it down, he just said they didn't have much burst DPS and asked for overall advise.

If he's saying that they need more burst dps I'd bet my left arm that he's referring to them having issues killing the tendon fast enough, since that's where the burst dps is required.

So yes, yes he did say that they weren't getting it down.

if anyone with a good amount of experience on downing this boss could toss me some pointers i'd appreciate it, thnx.

Silly me, answering irrelevant questions. It won't happen again.

07/19/2012 09:52 PMPosted by Insertion

Silly me, answering irrelevant questions. It won't happen again.

It wasn't my intention to bash you. My personal experience with this encounter is a bit limited, but I've literally never heard of a guild having the problem you've described. It's just... odd.

But in either case, no need to go full porcupine. You'll just attract trolls who'd butcher you for your quills.

PS: Stuffs is not a troll. But he may still have a porcupine quill collection. Idk.

If your guild is attempting one-lift strategies then the burst spec provided by Caera is probably most optimal.

If your guild is doing two-lift per plate, then the normal DPS sub spec is more effective as the burst requirement on tendon is a non-issue and replaced by the problem of being overwhelmed by bloods.