Topic No PvPers on BWL
Before I post this, I would like to say that I only do arena as it is the only true and proper PvP source. RBG's are an easy way to get carried by good players to better ratings which holds back the quality of players on the server. I've been personally 2100 rated and had a 2400 MMR at my peak. Please keep this thread civilized and no trolling.
1 of the reasons why our server's population has declined dramatically since wrath is because of the skill level of PvPers and how everybody thinks that because they can win a few games in arena and get conquest capped, they know how to PvP. This isn't true. Blizzard made the game so that way everybody could get the same gear making skill show in the ranking system more, not the gear system. This is why PvE isn't a true challenge for hardcore PvPers. If the quality of the players was to improve (such as actually have a decent number of 2200+ rated players in the arena brackets) then more players would be motivated to Xfer here. Why are KT, Tichon, Illidan, and Mal'Ganis the best servers? Because they consist of PvPers. Even I transferred my hunter there. I'll be reviving my PvP guild either in a couple weeks or just before the release of MoP to teach players about proper PvP aspects.
Gear shows skill problem-
Majority of people on the server think that just because they have great gear (in both PvE and PvP) that they understand the aspects of the game completely. Once again, its not true.
1st rule - If you click any of your abilities with your mouse than you use consistantly, you're still a beginner.
2nd rule - If you've never been rated above 1550 in 2's or 3's in arena, then you still dont understand your class completely.
3rd rule - There are no acceptions to the 1st and 2nd rule.
Attitude to improve problem-
To many people are offended by accepting tips from better players. Since everybody on the server seems to be stubborn, nobody thinks they need to improve. I'm not saying that I'm the best or anything, I know I still have ALOT of area of improvement needed. I humble myself in that aspect when a high ranking player recommends something to me. And when this happens, I generally get better and I learn something new.
What we can do to fix the server-
Get better and have more players interested in truely improving their PvP skills. My 2 mains on BWL are...
Deisodei is in my old PvP guild.
I'm more than willing to teach and train players to improve their skills and go over pro player videos to get tips for each class. I've trained alot of players to actually get their 1st 1550 and 1750 arena achievements. Please PST me on Deisodei when i log on if interested.
We need to bring the server up to be alive again. Hopefully that since MoP is gonna be a PvP based expansion, players will have to improve or they'll get bored of the game.
Edited by Adalrìcus on 7/16/12 1:33 PM (PDT)
Sounds self-righteous to me. Try seeing things from other pov's besides your own. Getting free tips can be taken different ways. Some people are stubborn, but most people who don't like being coached while they play see it as you being condescending. If they aren't asking for your help don't try to help them. It will make a lot of people dislike you.
I see a lot of these tip heroes in durotar. Its especially annoying when the tips are untrue or the person is just trying to experiment. A lot of the times just because someone isn't playing perfectly it doesn't mean he doesn't know what he needs to do to play perfectly. Have to consider a person's nerves, muscle memory, and reaction speed. I say let people learn at their own pace and help when help is wanted. Instead of telling them how they should act.
I do look at it from their perspective. If someone recommends something, its simple, take the advice, or dont take it. Dont be rude by throwing it back in their face or saying "!@#$." I stated that when a player recommends me something even if i'm better than they are, i listen and try it out. I dont knock their idea.
And helping people when they want to be helped is whats holding our server back. Nobody thinks they need help. Everybody thinks they know how to play the game properly. On other servers people post, "LF 3's team to push for 2k+ rating." Our server post, "LF for partner in 2's for points." There's a big difference. I'm not going to RUSH someone to get better. But i will nudge someone in the proper direction and if they dont want me to thats fine. But if they do, its the start of improvement. And thats the desired goal.
Which puts you in a very small percentage among BWLers.
There are a ton of people who give rude advice. And the way you give tips can easily be interpreted as condescending. Do you leave after your advice was rejected? Or do you keep coaching someone until they get tired of it and leave durotar? How someone wants to play their game shouldn't be any of your business unless they want it to be.
People aren't going to listen to your advice if they don't want it. And it shouldn't be any surprise that someone would get defensive when a stranger points out their flaws. Besides, the usual tips i see you and many others give are relative to telling a homeless person he wouldn't be homeless if he bought a house, or telling a fat guy he would lose weight if he went on a diet. Then patting yourself on the back for it.
I doubt that. I bet it is more just an excuse to get you off their back. Maybe some people don't want help. Maybe some people want to figure it out on their own. Maybe they were having fun until you came by and told them what they are doing is wrong.
None of the major guild exoduses, which has been the catalyst for our server's population declining dramatically, included lack of pvp as a reason for their transfers.