Comprehensive Gaming PC Guide Discussion - IV

Soicy:

Don't bother upgrading the RAM. Just return it and use the extra money to either save up for a better CPU + motherboard in 2013, get a better graphics card, or get an SSD.



Any video cards in particular that you would recommend for playing WoW on Ultra Graphics settings without any issue?

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-aurora-r2/pd

More specifically my motherboard...

http://www.redplanettrading.com/Dell-RV30W-Alienware-Aurora-R2-System-Motherboard.html
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Depending on your monitor resolution, but assuming 1080p, Radeon HD 7850
Yeah I'm pretty sure this is exactly my motherboard right here
http://alienwareusersupport.weebly.com/aurora-r2.html

Sorry to keep bugging but which out of these would you recommend that is also compatible with my pc/motherboard?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%204017&IsNodeId=1&name=%24100%20-%20%24200

The 7850 you mentioned seems a bit overkill for WoW, or do you think that is exactly what I need? Yes, also the resolution is 1080p
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Radeon HD 7850 is a perfect fit for an optimal performance on 1080p. They aren't that expensive either (most can be found around $150~$160 after rebates).

Only compatibility issue you should worry about should be:

Case length allowance
Power supply

Although, that tall silver heatsink seems slightly worrying
Radeon HD 7850 is a perfect fit for an optimal performance on 1080p. They aren't that expensive either (most can be found around $150~$160 after rebates).

Only compatibility issue you should worry about should be:

Case length allowance
Power supply

Although, that tall silver heatsink seems slightly worrying


Thank you for the advice, I ended up going with this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161406&name=Desktop-Graphics-Cards
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Some updates:

I updated the prices as necessary. Namely, AMD Trinity APUs had small price cut.

I re-wrote graphics section a little, and nVidia GeForce GTX 650 is recommended due to the price cut putting them very close to HD 7750. GTX 650 Ti is recommended only if it's $135 or less.
Edited by Kalganized on 10/21/2012 3:31 PM PDT
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Hey Kalganized thanks for this thread. I am building my first pc and would like to know if this set up looks okay or if there are any changes I should make....undecided on overclocking but seriously considering it. Any input you could give me here would be great and thanks for your time!!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/l4lq
Edited by Zarik on 10/22/2012 8:13 AM PDT
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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GTX 650 is actually on-par with GTX 550 Ti. Both cards can't beat HD 7770.

If rebates are not factored in, GTX 650 is cheaper than HD 7770 as you can find them starting at $105 while HD 7770 starts out at $120. With rebates though, some HD 7770s will cost very close to GTX 650 prices though.

Since HD 7750 price is less than $10 difference usually, I think GTX 650 can also be recommended alongside it.

Zarik:

If you are going to OC, you need to buy i5-3570k.

The board does not have proper support for CrossFireX / SLi. If you weren't thinking of doing them in the first place, you can save some more $ by going with cheaper Z77 / Z75 board instead.

RAM is very expensive, and 16GB does nothing for gaming. I'd take 8GB set with CAS of 9.

Crucial M4 is a trustworthy SSD, but you can probably buy faster Samsung 830 / Vertex 4 for around that price.

ASUS Radeon HD 7850 is very expensive. That is too close to HD 7870 price. Either get a cheaper one, or get a HD 7870.

HAF X is a nice case, but should only get it if you want a full tower.
Edited by Kalganized on 10/22/2012 12:18 PM PDT
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New AMD drivers are out today. There's some nice stuff going on, especially with BF3. Too bad I don't have a 7xxx card =\

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6393/amds-holiday-plans-cat1211-new-bundle
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Kalganized, thanks for all the help you have given everyone on this thread.
I have read and reread it several times and have decided to try building my own system. (Is there a place where I can detailed instructions on assembly?)
I play WOW, 25 raid and pvp primarily.
Don't plan on overclocking or know how to if I wanted to.
I have taken bits and pieces from various builds on the thread to come up with the following:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/l8Fg

Any input you can give would be great and thanks in advance for your time!
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Generally, many manuals (especially motherboard manual) comes with illustrations to guide you with installing things.

YouTube has tons of DIY videos that showcase how an installation generally goes.

As for your parts, I'd save $20 with i5-3470 as there is no real performance difference between i5-3470 and i5-3570.

That's about it, really.
70 Human Death Knight
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I will be ordering the components shortly!
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Nearing cap again eh?

That said... AMD FX-8350 reviews are out, and seeing the price and performance, I cannot recommend it for a gaming PC. $220 is only few bucks away from i5-3570k.

However, the wildcard here is FX-8320. It's identical to 8350 except it comes with lower default clock. Cost is considerably lower, at $180.

At $180, it competes with -multiplier locked- i5s. This makes FX-8320 a much better deal since you could overclock it to reach a similar level of performance as the locked i5 CPU.

Lower-end series like 6300 and 4300s recommendation will depend on their review.
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http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1598/pg1/amd-fx-8350-processor-review-introduction.html

seeing how close the 8350 benched to the i5-3570k, and can overclock higher with lower power consumption, i see the 8320 as a very acceptable alternative to intel chips, for those of us who intend to overclock up to and past 5 Ghz. since my 965 is working just fine right now, i think i'll wait and see if i can catch a good sale or deal on the 8320, and then push for 5ghz with an H100 or thermaltake water 2.0 extreme cooler.
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Update done. Includes AMD FX and AM3 motherboards. Admittedly, I am not too well versed in AM3 motherboards, so if you got any suggestions or fixes, I'm open to it.
MVP - Technical Support
90 Blood Elf Hunter
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New AMD drivers are out today. There's some nice stuff going on, especially with BF3. Too bad I don't have a 7xxx card =\

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6393/amds-holiday-plans-cat1211-new-bundle


Let me just say from personal experience that these drivers are awesome! Framerates in World of Warcraft can easily be ~15-20% higher. Here are some benchmarks from TechPowerUp:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/20.html

I've realized similar improvements on my own setup. This driver paired with my 7970's 1125/1575 MHz clock speeds makes for one awesome graphics card. This is the performance I anticipated when I first purchased the hardware!
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The wise speak only of what they know. - J.R.R. Tolkien
CORE I7 3.8GHz | 12GB RAM | RADEON HD 7970 | F120 SSD
Unofficial Tech Support: irc://chat.freenode.net/wowtech
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Let me just say from personal experience that these drivers are awesome! Framerates in World of Warcraft can easily be ~15-20% higher. Here are some benchmarks from TechPowerUp:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/20.html

I've realized similar improvements on my own setup. This driver paired with my 7970's 1125/1575 MHz clock speeds makes for one awesome graphics card. This is the performance I anticipated when I first purchased the hardware!
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The wise speak only of what they know. - J.R.R. Tolkien
CORE I7 3.8GHz | 12GB RAM | RADEON HD 7970 | F120 SSD
Unofficial Tech Support: irc://chat.freenode.net/wowtech


Now only if AMD can get that happening within few months of new hardware release. ;(

But it's pretty awesome to see that AMD is beating what is formerly nVidia-favored games.
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seeing your guide actually recommend an AMD CPU brings a tear to my eye... *sniff*
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Upon analyzing Anand's review, i3-3220 is retired from recommended CPU unless if the user will upgrade to i5-3570k.
Edited by Kalganized on 10/23/2012 12:16 AM PDT
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