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Moonfarespam: The Moonkin PvE Guide (5.2)
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Edited by Eluial on 5/8/13 8:26 PM (PDT)
LEVEL 90 Raiding/PvE Guide
Last updated 12/14/12 Please "like" ALL the pages of the main guide! \o/ (So they stand out and come up in searches. Thank you! <3) How to get advice/help 1. Read the entire guide, and make sure that your armory reflects that you have done so (have generally correct gems, enchants, reforges, spec, glyphs). 2. Make a post on your druid (or provide an armory link) while logged out in your balance gear and spec. 3. Give information that is relevant to your problem. Descriptions of your rotation, raid make ups, combat logs, extenuating circumstances... the more you tell us, the better our advice will be. 4. Be polite to the people helping you. Even if you disagree with them, they took time out of their lives to help. Being rude or defensive will make it less likely that people will want to help you. If you, for whatever reason, wish to contact me privately, you may send me a PM at themoonkinrepository.com. My user name is Eluial and I check there about every 1-2 days. Please do not send me an in game mail asking me to add you as a real ID friend or to find you on your server - I likely won't do either. General notes As World of Warcraft is an ever evolving world, all the information in this guide is subject to change. As gear, encounters and game mechanics change, so will numbers and assessments of talents, items, etc. I will be updating this as much as possible when new information comes out, but if you find anything that is inaccurate, incomplete or simply missing, please let me know in a reasonably polite way. I am not attempting to misinform anyone on purpose, but it's very possible I missed something, or even that I just mistyped it, or that the scary real-life-monster has delayed my updating of the guide. Feedback is always welcome, but trolling is not. To Do: Continue work on current raid tier tips trinket rankings SOON™ Advanced rotation tips - DoTs and Mooncatting Table o'Contents I - Talents, Glyphs and Symbiosis II - Stats III - Gems, Enchants and Reforging IV - Professions and Consumables V - Gearing and Rep Gear VI - Spells and Rotation VII - Advanced Rotation Tips VIII - Macros and UI IX - Current Tier Tips and Videos X - Frequently Asked Questions XI - Mists of Pandaria Leveling Guide Some spec-specific abbreviations I use: MF - Moonfire SnF - Sunfire SF - Starfire SS - Starsurge NG - Nature's Grace CA - Celestial Alignment AC - Astral Communion Shout Outs I may be the one doing the actual writing (and the OCD-esque organizing) of this guide, but this is by no means a one-person project. There's no way I could get all this information out without the help of the greater moonkin community, including people on these forums, The Moonkin Repository and Elitist Jerks. A lot of people have helped in one way or another, but for me there are some who especially stand out: Tagartou and Cyous, for their countless contributions via conversations, suggestions and (most importantly) maths; Hamlet and Tecton for their tireless work on WrathCalcs, my most favoritest spreadsheet ever; and Graylo for his ever-informative blog. Thank you. Moonkin Spotlight I thought it would be cool to spotlight some neat or informative moonkin blog or site every so often (depending on how often I remember to change it). Do you have a suggestion for the next moonkin spotlight? Send me a PM at themoonkinrepository.com! Current spotlight: Who: Cyous What: Brawler's Guild strategy guide! Where: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7273267877 For all you chickens lookin' to duke it out in the Brawl'gar Arena, this one's for you! Cyous goes over each fight, including strategies, symbiosis recommendations and more! And apparently there are videos on the way. Recent Changes Current patch: 5.1 Complete patch notes: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7922040/51_Landfall_Now_Live_and_Patch_Notes-11_27_2012 Important changes that affect Balance druids: Symboisis on tanks will give the tank a defensive CD. Symbiosis cast time down to 2s. Solar Beam's duration has been lowered to 8s. Gear can now be upgraded using justice or valor points. Change log: 12/14 - VP gear upgrades, new rep items, crit v haste discussion 12/3 - added more boss strats, mouseover dot macro, moonkin spotlight 11/30 - 5.1 updates & new tank symbiosis spells 11/2 - finished up the MoP leveling guide, started on HoF tips, other misc fixes 10/10 - reworked gem section (again!), started raid boss tips, updated HotW/mooncat stuff 10/3 - updated for symbiosis tank spell changes 10/2 - typos, rotation tips, spell usage, other misc updates 9/26 - some random updates and moonkin spotlight 9/19 - became a sticky! 9/12 - started updates for level 90 |
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Edited by Eluial on 1/30/13 2:37 PM (PST)
I. TALENTS, GLYPHS AND SYMBIOSIS
Talents In this section I'm going to be evaluating the talents and making recommendations. For more in depth explanations of how to use the DPS related talents, see the Spells and Rotation section, here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582#7 For the druid talent tree and tooltips of all the talents, look here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#Ua! Tier 1
Tier 2
Tier 3 This tier either has no bearing or will be very encounter specific in PvE. Take whatever you think makes the most sense for your setup.
Tier 4
Tier 5 This tier either has no bearing or will be very encounter specific in PvE. Take whatever you think makes the most sense for your setup.
Tier 6
Glyphs Other relatively useful ones are: Symbiosis Symbiosis - 2s out-of-combat only cast - http://www.wowhead.com/spell=110309 Creates a symbiotic link which grants the Druid one ability belonging to the target's class, varying by the Druid's specialization. Your Symbiosis button will turn into the spell you get from your partner, so no need for 2 separate slots on your action bars. Your partner will have a spell in their spell book called symbiosis that turns into the ability they receive when Symbiosis is active on them. As a general warning, a lot of these abilities are different from their parent ability. The wowhead link below provides spell tooltips for all the abilities we both gain and give, so I recommend reading them before making a decision on what you want to take. I've provided a brief summary below the table of the abilities that we get, though. For a prettier table, go here: http://www.wowhead.com/spell=110309#comments Damage Reduction Anti-Magic Shield - 5s, 45s CD, 30% magic damage reduction, prevents application of magic effects Cloak of Shadows - 5s, 2m CD, magic immunity, prevents the application of magic effects Unending Resolve - 12s, 3m CD, 50% damage reduction and interrupt immunity Dispels Mass Dispel - 1m CD, defensive and offensive AoE dispel Purge - offensive single target dispel Threat Management Mirror Images - 30s, 3m CD, threat freeze while active (and they do minimal damage) Misdirection - 4s, 30s CD, threat transfer while active Random Grapple Weapon - 10s, 1m CD, disarms the target (40 yd range) Hammer of Justice - 6s, 1m CD, stuns the target (10 yd range) Intervene - 30s CD, 25yd range, runs you to a friendly player and also makes you take the next melee/ranged attack aimed at them In PvE these are all going to be extremely situational. Which one you use will depend first on what classes you have available in your group, and second, on the needs of your group for that particular fight. In my opinion though, the two that have the most DPS-related advantages are Intervene and Mirror Images. Mirror Images have a 3m CD, which lines up perfectly with our CDs. Once every 3m you're going to be putting out insane burst damage, and ideally the first time you do that will be at the very start of the fight. So having a threat freeze when you do that can be incredibly helpful, and at the start of the fight allows you to go all out without frustrating your tank and causing wipes. Intervene is a mobility perk. The talent Wild Charge allows us to have an intervene of sorts by shifting to caster form, but it takes 2 GCDs to make that work. Intervene lets you charge to the location of another player to get to group-up spots or out of the fire faster. And the faster you get to where you need to be, the longer you can spend DPSing. However, I do think if you take Wild Charge, this ability becomes redundant, because you can get a similar effect by just using moonkin charge and positioning your character properly. Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 12/15/12 8:37 AM (PST)
II. STATS
Secondary stat priority: Spirit/hit/exp til cap > Crit > Haste > Mastery Why the sudden change? Read more here (in the crit v. haste section): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582?page=1#6 You should always check WrathCalcs for your own personal stat priority! http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t130885-balance_mists_pandaria_5_0_guide_discussion/#WrathCalcs Intellect and Spellpower Int gives us spell power and spell crit. Spell power as a stat is found only on caster weapons and some trinkets now. Its function is unchanged (increases the damage of our spells). Int converts to SP at a 1 to 1 rate. However, int is affected by stat-multiplying buffs like Mark of the Wild and Leather Specialization, so that 1 point of int is actually worth slightly more than 1 point of SP. Spirit and Hit Hit rating allows your spells to actually land on your target. For all intents and purposes, spirit and hit are pretty much the same thing now (for hybrid casters). The only differences are that Spirit actually will contribute to out of combat mana regen, while hit gives you melee hit in addition to spell hit. Expertise also gives spell hit for casters, now. As a moonkin there shouldn't really ever be a reason to reforge to expertise, but it is an excellent option for getting hit while still matching red gem sockets. You want to try to get as close as possible to the hit cap without going over it (this wastes stats) or being under it (makes you have a chance to miss your targets). 340 hit rating = 340 spirit = 340 expertise rating = 1% hit Raid hit cap = 15% = 5100 hit rating Crit Spells that critically hit do extra damage. With Moonfire and Sunfire periodic damage criticals have a 30% chance to proc Shooting Stars. Starfire, Wrath and Starsurge criticals increase the duration of our dots (spell school dependent) by 2s (1 tick). You want to reforge excess stats into crit when possible. 600 crit rating = 1% crit Haste Haste decreases cast and channel times of our spells, and gives us extra DoT ticks without changing the overall duration of the DoT*. We get 5% haste from our moonkin aura and 15% haste while Nature's Grace is active. In the current tier, for most fights, the 5273 BP (without 4pc) and the 8089 BP (with 4pc) are not worth losing significant amounts of haste or crit for. 425 haste rating = 1% spell haste Haste breakpoints where we gain extra DoT ticks (assumes Moonkin aura and Nature's Grace): Base # ticks = 7 8th tick - automatic 9th tick - 228 10th tick - 5273 11th tick - 10289 Our T14 4 set bonus adds 2s to the base time of our dots, which changes our break points Base # ticks = 8 9th tick - automatic 10th tick - automatic 11th tick - 3706 12th tick - 8089 The ratings you see are what you need to have on your character sheet when you mouse over the spell haste stat. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT PERCENTAGES! Nature's Grace and Moonkin aura are already accounted for. Break point spreadsheet (courtesy of Tagartou of Blackrock) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtT3sAEBV2QfdEtWeThnVWx4X3NoT29ZRGJjbkxjS0E#gid=0 *The duration does actually change a very small amount depending on your haste, but will always be close enough to the standard 14s duration that you don't have to worry about it. Mastery Moonkin mastery is Total Eclipse, which increases the bonus damage you get from being in an eclipsed state (including Celestial Alignment). Mastery is, for the time being, our dump stat. This means it's the stat you'll use to reforge into other stats to meet various caps. 600 mastery rating = 1.875% eclipse bonus damage Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 12/26/12 3:00 PM (PST)
III. GEMS, ENCHANTS, AND REFORGING
Gems I'm only listing the blue quality gems here, which is what you should be using for raiding. If you think your gear doesn't justify that and you want to use green gems, just follow the same pattern. Also, all the green quality gems have "perfect" versions that are blue quality and have the same stats as the other blue quality gems (just FYI since that's a new thing). The double stat budget for secondary stats makes a wider range of gems acceptable for us. In general (and especially at non-heroic BiS gear levels), 2x secondary stat is better than 1x int as far as gems are concerned. As always, if you're unsure whether you should be using a certain gem, you can check with WrathCalcs! Blue slots: Red slots: Yellow slots: Prismatic slots (belt buckles and Blacksmithing sockets): Meta: About Jewelcrafting gems - since the secondary stat JC gems only have 1.5x the stat budget of the primary stat gems, as a JC it's still optimal to use the Brilliant cut for your JC-only gems. All your other gems should follow the normal gemming strategy, though. Basic strategy: In general, you can just match the socket colors using the guidelines written next to the gems above and do just fine. Use your blue gem slots to get hit capped as much as possible, since all the ideal gems for that slot have hit on them. A little more in-depth strategy on matching socket bonuses: Int bonuses - Match if: Always. Basically, the raid gear bonuses are high enough that it's always a fair trade to do so. Spirit/hit bonuses - Match if: Not doing so prevents you from reaching a haste break point (because of haste -> spirit reforges). You would have to gem additional hit to meet the hit cap. You are still reforging crit -> spirit and the bonus hit you get is enough to undo one of those reforges. Crit bonuses - Match if: The socket is yellow and you need to use a haste gem for a haste break point. The socket is blue and you need to use a spirit gem for hit cap. >>If neither of the above are true, see the "really in-depth strategy" explanation below. Haste Bonuses - Match if: You need it to reach a haste break point. >>If the above is not true, see the "really in-depth strategy" explanation below. Mastery Bonuses - Match if: >>See the "really in-depth strategy" explanation below. Really in-depth strategy: We have rather complicated stat priorities right now. For crit, haste and mastery bonuses, what you really want to do is find your relative stat values for your current gear set. You can do this using WrathCalcs or another modeling program (Rawr and Simulation Craft are other options). So say I was trying to determine whether it was worth matching a 60 crit bonus for a yellow socket with a RSV = relative stat value 160*intRSV = the value of putting 80*intRSV + 160*critRSV + 60*critRSV = the value of putting The bigger number is the one you want to go with! Enchants Head: No more head enchants! Shoulder: Cloak: Chest: Bracers: Gloves: Belt: Legs: Boots: Weapon: Off-hand Reforging With reforging, you can turn 40% of a certain stat on your gear into another stat, with the following exceptions: >Primary stats (Stam, Agi, Str, Int) cannot be reforged, nor can resilience be reforged. >You cannot reforge a stat into something that’s already on the gear (but you can have both spirit and hit on the same piece). Reforging made easy:
If you're old school and prefer to do your reforging manually, you want to do your best to convert mastery into haste or hit before you start dipping in to crit to meet your various caps. Keep in mind the best reforge setup might require you to reforge out of one stat only to reforge back into it on another piece of gear. Note: As of 12/14/12 wowreforge is not recognizing VP upgrades (this is because WoW official tooltips don't recognize them either). Hopefully this will be fixed soon, but in the mean time you can manually adjust the hit cap down to accommodate for your actual extra stats. Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 12/18/12 2:05 PM (PST)
IV. PROFESSIONS AND CONSUMABLES
These are simply the stat bonus perks that the different professions give. All professions give extra benefits that can be fun or make life easier, but those perks are not listed here. Professions Gathering: Mining – Toughness Rank 8 - Increases stamina by 480 Skinning – Master of Anatomy Rank 8 - Increases crit rating by 480 (.8% crit @lvl 90) Herbalism – Lifeblood Rank 9 (2m cool down) - Increases haste by 2880 (6.7%) for 20s (Avg of 480 rating, 1.13%) Static Gains: Alchemy – Mixology - Leatherworking – Fur Lining: Intellect (Rank 3) gives 500 Int to bracers (increase of 320 Int) Enchanting – Enchant Ring - Greater Intellect gives 160 Int (Increase of 320 Int) Jewel Crafting – Inscription – Blacksmithing – Socket Bracers and Socket Gloves let you socket 2 more Proc Gains: Tailoring – Lightweave Embroidery (rank 3) has a chance to give 2000 Int for 15s. 20% proc rate, 60s ICD, averages to about 500 Int. Comes out to an average on-paper gain of 320 Int compared to the normal cloak enchant. Engineering – Synapse Springs: Glove tinker that increases Int by 1920 for 10s, 1m CD. Averages to 320 Int on paper. Goggles: Profession assessment: The leather working bracer enchant discrepancy has been fixed, so all the static gain professions give the same amount of int. One probably insignificant (but still worth mentioning) advantage that BS and JC have is that you can choose to increase secondary stats with them as well. With secondary stats having a higher stat budget on gems, that makes BS especially powerful. JC lags a little behind BS in this department due to the decreased secondary stat budget on JC-only gems as compared to normal gems. The engineering and tailoring bonuses average out to +320 Int, but both can see effectively higher numbers depending on the timing of the proc and the nature/length of the fight. Timing Synapse Springs with our other cooldowns makes it worth much more than the on-paper number of 320 Int. Synapse Springs will put any on-use trinkets on a 10s CD, meaning they cannot be macro'd together (or, you can just hit the macro again 10s later). The engineering goggles are very good pre-raid, but they are a worse option than our regular tier helm. The Lightweave Embroidery should generally line up with our CDs as well, since it's on a 1m ICD. But since you have less control over it you're more likely to lose some of its effectiveness due to an early or late proc, movement, or delaying CD use slightly to line it up with a more important phase of the fight. However, tailoring is a very strong profession and is on par with or slightly better than the static int gain professions. For high-end raiding, engi is the clear winner, and if I had to pick a second place I'd pick tailoring. However, all the crafting professions provide fairly similar bonuses, and which one you choose is more a matter of preference for most people. The gathering professions are fairly worthless in a raiding environment. Skinning and herbalism give very minor DPS increases, while mining gives a survivability increase. Consumables Flask: Elixirs: Potion: Food: Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 1/23/13 1:11 PM (PST)
V. GEARING AND REP GEAR
Gearing To check whether a certain item is an upgrade for you, use Wrathcalcs, the moonkin spreadsheet, which can be found here: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t130885-balance_mists_pandaria_5_0_guide_discussion/#WrathCalcs When choosing gear: >You want to be sure you are using all leather pieces to get Leather Specialization, which gives +5% int for moonkin. Generally speaking, there is not going to be a single cloth piece that is worth breaking Leather Specialization. >Remember that you can always reforge a less desirable item into a more desirable one. Crit V Haste In recent weeks this has been a really big debate in the moonkin community. Evidence is coming down hard on the side of crit, however. What this means is that for the majority of T14 fights, stacking crit and ignoring the haste break points will actually yield better DPS. At all gear levels you should actively be gemming and reforging to crit. With the T14 4pc you'll want to get the 3706 break point, but this should be easily achievable with little to no changes in your gemming and reforging. Even at heroic BiS gear levels, the 8089 break point is not worth reaching. So why the sudden change in ideology? Well, basically, for a pure single target fight, a crit set up is going to come in slightly below but very close to a haste break point setup. But when you throw in multiple targets, movement or both crit is going to come out ahead (and this is something sims have trouble modeling). Given how close the two setups are at BiS levels (and below) for single target, and crit's superiority everywhere else, AND then throw in the fact that there are no patchwerk type fights this tier (Feng perhaps comes closest), crit becomes the obvious choice. Some sources cited (for you skeptics): http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1204273-Balance-T14H-BiS-list?p=19367488&viewfull=1#post19367488 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7004698423#15 http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t130885-balance_mists_pandaria_5_0_guide_discussion/p15/#post2229295 Tier Gear The 2 and 4pc set bonuses are worth getting, but don't downgrade ilevels to do so. The offset piece is going to depend on the rest of your setup. For heroic BiS, pants ( Trinkets Still no particular order for now. Just listing. I've put the correct stat numbers next to each one, since wow tooltips are horribly wrong right now. Valor Gear Upgrading As of 5.1 you can spend Valor Points (or Justice, Honor or Conquest) to upgrade your gear. VP upgrades are done in 2 steps, costing 750 VP each. Each upgrade gives you 4 ilevels on the item (for a max of 8). There are a lot of factors that go in to deciding which slot to upgrade first (ilvl, likelihood to replace soon, is it BiS or not, etc). However, assuming all else is equal... 1. Weapon because it has spell power in large quantities and it has one of the bigger stat budgets. 2. Trinkets. Their procs are affected, too. 3. High stat budget items (Chest, Pants, Helm). 4. Medium stat budget items (Cloak, Shoulders, Hands, Wrist). 5. Low stat budget items (Neck, Rings). Reputations Valor point items now have reputations attached to them as well. The 4 main reputations all have good items for Moonkin. I've included the justice point items here as well, even though they no longer require rep to buy. Golden Lotus August Celestials The Klaxxi Shado-Pan Operation Shieldwall/Dominance Offensive Cooking Individual food gives 50 more int than the group banquets (or 25 if you've also maxed out the specialty of that banquet type), so it will be important to always have a stack of Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 11/2/12 2:46 PM (PDT)
VI. SPELLS AND ROTATION
Basic Moonkin Spells Some of this is pretty basic, so feel free to jump down to the Cooldowns section if you feel comfortable with the basics. The moonkin rotation is driven by our eclipse bar. The "goal" is to bounce the arrow back and forth, switching between solar eclipse and lunar eclipse. Solar eclipse buffs all nature spells (sunfire, wrath, hurricane, mushrooms) while lunar eclipse buffs all arcane spells (moonfire, starfire, astral storm, starfall); both eclipses buff starsurge's damage. Our "nukes" (starfire, wrath and starsurge) move the eclipse bar. Starfire always moves the arrow to the right (20 energy), wrath always to the left (15 energy). Starsurge will move the arrow in whichever direction you're going (20 energy). All nukes generate double their normal eclipse energy when you're NOT in an eclipsed state. Damage over time spells (DoTs): Moonfire (arcane) and Sunfire (nature) Nukes: Starfire (arcane), Wrath (nature), Starsurge (spellstorm) multi-target/AoE: Hurricane (nature)/Astral Storm (arcane), Starfall (arcane), Wild Mushroom (nature) Starfall (spell): Drops up to 20 damage-dealing stars total on all in-combat targets in range (single-target, only 10 stars). This will break any CC it hits. Its 1min CD is reset every time you enter lunar eclipse or use CA. Lunar Shower (passive): Increase the direct damage of MF and SnF for 3s after you cast either DoT, and stacks up to 3 times. This is one of the tools we've been given to deal with movement DPS. Wild Mushroom Detonate (spell): Detonates any active mushrooms, dealing nature damage. Also leaves fungal growth, which slows targets that walk through it. Mushrooms are not very strong right now, and should typically only be placed either before combat, during a pause in combat, or on the move. You pretty much always want to use them in Solar eclipse (or during CA) only. Astral Communion (spell): A channeled ability that will generate 25 eclipse energy per second for 4s, or until you reach an eclipse. Nature's Grace (passive proc): A 15% haste buff that lasts for 15s. It is triggered by reaching an eclipse or using Celestial Alignment. Euphoria (passive): Doubles the eclipse energy our nukes generate while outside of eclipse, so Starfire = 40 energy, Starsurge = 40 energy, Wrath = 30 energy. Eclipse bar mechanics Whenever you die, zone in/out of an instance or log into the game your eclipse bar will be at full neutral. The arrow will be in the middle of the bar, and will point both ways, like this: <>. This means that you can move the bar in either direction, depending on which spell you cast. Until you hit an eclipse it is possible to backtrack when the arrow looks this way. If you change talents or glyphs, the arrows will be able to move in either direction, but will keep their current position on your bar (so they'll be <> but will not move to the middle of the bar). At full neutral, both SS and AC will always move you toward solar eclipse by default, unless you cast a wrath first. When the eclipse bar direction is locked (the arrow points only one way), you can only go one way. Casting the "wrong" nuke will not move the eclipse bar. (So, if you are in solar eclipse and you cast starfire, the arrow will stay put). Cooldowns I will discuss our various DPS-related CDs and their usage here. If you're unfamiliar with the abilities, please visit the links posted so you can read the tooltip. All these explanations are merely descriptive. If you want suggestions on which talents to take, check out the talents section here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582#2 Celestial Alignment - baseline lvl 68 - http://www.wowhead.com/spell=112071
Nature's Swiftness - talent lvl 30 - http://wowhead.com/spell=132158
Incarnation - talent lvl 60 - http://www.wowhead.com/spell=106731
Force of Nature - talent lvl 60 - http://www.wowhead.com/spell=106737
Nature's Vigil - talent lvl 90 - http://wowhead.com/spell=124974
Dream of Cenarius - talent lvl 90 - http://wowhead.com/spell=108373
Heart of the Wild - talent lvl 90 - http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108288
Rotation Before Combat Starts
Opening Rotation Things like ((this)) mean changing state. X > Y means prioritize X over Y when possible. For the macros, see the Macros and UI section here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582?page=1#9 StarfallGeneral Rotation notes Continue on as above, cycling through eclipses, refreshing dots 2s before they expire or before you exit eclipse (for the eclipsed dot only). Your dots may get out of sync with one another - that's OK. Dream of Cenarius - Generally speaking, you'll want to cast healing touch at the start of eclipse. This will allow you to refresh your dots at any point during that eclipse, as is necessary. Movement We have 3 ways to deal with movement DPS, and they're all pretty weak. First, if you get lucky, for short movement you can use a shooting stars proc. Also, if the movement is predictable and you know it's coming, you can save a proc to use during the movement (don't want to do this for more than 4-5s, though). If the movement is longer, you can place shrooms while on the run to detonate when you next get to Solar or CA. This requires knowing where the boss or relevant mobs will be for an extended period of time, though, so it may not work very well for all fights. Finally, you can use the tool we've actually be given to deal with movement DPS, which is Lunar Shower-buffed DoT spam. Which DoT you spam will depend on your eclipse state; if you're eclipsed, you want to use the eclipsed DoT. If you're not eclipsed, you want to use the DoT that is not eclipse-buffed on your target. So, for example, if I just left Solar and I need to DoT spam, I would want to use MF, so I don't overwrite an eclipsed SnF with an uneclipsed one. Just an FYI: when you spam a DoT, only the direct damage portion gets buffed. You also still get the period damage ticks as you normally would. AE situations For low health, burst AE situations (say things that last less than 10-15s or so), Starfall + Astral Storm is actually pretty strong. Even though Starfall is not technically an AE spell, it still hits really hard and will hit multiple targets, and you can have it running while you use AS. For longer-lived adds or just longer AE phases, solar is still the place to be, though. If you can have mushrooms pre-placed without interrupting your DPS, then do so -- otherwise, don't worry about them. If you're waiting for adds to be gathered up you can DoT them up with SnF (as long as doing so won't make the tank lose threat), but once they're all grouped up just spam Hurricane, Hurricane and more Hurricane (sounds fun and engaging, no?). You can always drop an Ursol's Vortex on the tank just to help keep them all together, too. Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 10/18/12 1:22 PM (PDT)
VII. ADVANCED ROTATION TIPS
Dot clipping when to clip both eclipsed and uneclipsed during CA This requires maths that I have not had time to do yet... If you're desperate for advice, what I've personally been doing is as follows, but I'm going to put a giant disclaimer on it: I HAVE NOT MATHED THIS OUT SO I AM IN NO WAY GUARANTEEING IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT! Eclipsed dot: I clip just as I'm about to exit eclipse or before NG expires, whichever comes first. I then let it expire (<2s left) before reapplying once I leave eclipse. Uneclipsed dot: If I need to move I refresh it, or if it is about to expire when I'm refreshing the eclipsed dot. CA: I always clip the old dots and apply CA dots as soon as CA starts. Then I clip them before CA/NV/Inc run out, and they usually last half way through solar that way. Starsurge Usage During lunar eclipse (and the transition between lunar to solar) it doesn't matter when you use starsurge, since it has the exact same amount of energy as starfire. It will always take you 8 casts (unless you have Soul of the Forest, then it will take 7) to go from start of lunar to start of solar. Because of this you want to always use SS on cooldown whenever it comes up between lunar and solar, with one small exception: don't use it as the last cast just before solar. The reason is because how SS affects our eclipse bar on the solar -> lunar side. On the solar side of things it gets a little wonkier. Wrath gives 15 energy during eclipse and 30 outside, while SS still gives 20/40. Because of this it's possible to exit eclipse with varying mounts of energy. Without SotF You want to make sure you cast only 2 starsurges during eclipse, and one of those has to be your last cast of eclipse. This will let you leave eclipse with 15 extra energy while still giving you 7 total eclipsed casts. It'll take you 3 casts to get to lunar from there, assuming either 3 wraths or 2 wraths, 1 SS. Because wrath and SS have the same cast time and using a SS won't reduce the number of casts you need at this point, you should only use a SS in the solar -> transition if it's a proc (to save you some time). Otherwise save it for lunar. With SotF If you have SotF, it gets a little more complicated. There are two ideal options. The first option is you only cast one SS during solar eclipse, and use a second SS during the solar -> lunar transition. This gets you a total of 7 eclipsed casts (1 of them is SS) and only 2 uneclipsed casts. The second option is to use the non-SotF method, where you cast a SS early in eclipse and then use a proc (or the CD coming back up) to use SS as your last cast of eclipse. This way you still get 7 eclipsed casts, but 2 of them are SS. The problem here is, it will take you 3 casts to reach eclipse unless you get another SS proc (and at this point you really are relying on a proc). Sometimes the gamble can pay off and you get 2 buffed SS and only 2 uneclipsed casts. But most of the time the tradeoff is going to be between slightly more eclipse damage (the difference between a wrath and a SS) and less time spent outside of eclipse. Cooldown Usage Sometimes people are inclined to use their CDs separately, to stretch them out or something. In PvE this is a big mistake. Whatever can be lined up should be, because of the way damage-increasing cooldowns interact. Most cooldowns increase your damage by some multiple, and these things stack multiplicitively, meaning that together they are stronger than they are alone (think Captain Planet...). This is also the reason why the combination of Incarnation and Nature's Vigil can beat out something like Heart of the Wild (though with cooldowns, your total benefit is pretty fight-length dependent). So things like trinkets, potions, profession abilities and CDs should be lined up as much as possible. Mooncatting with HotW Coming soon to a Moonfarespam near you! Miscellaneous points Velaniz pointed out that if you're forced to move while Nature's Vigil is up, using NS + HT on a target in melee range does damage roughly equivalent to a LS-buffed MF. Using it on a character that has some sort of healing-increase talent (like feral druids) should increase the damage even more. This is a nice trick to make the best out of a crappy situation (cause I nerd rage every time I have to move when I have CDs popped). If you are applying both dots at the same time (which isn't always the case anymore), apply the uneclipsed dot first, so that the eclipsed dot gets a slight direct damage buff from lunar showers. In the middle of the fight when your CDs come back up, hold off using your starfall on the cycle BEFORE you use your 3m CDs again, so that you can set it up the way you do that the start of the fight (starfall before hitting lunar, then again during lunar, then again during CA). (Suggested by Treespring on the EJ forums). Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 12/3/12 4:15 PM (PST)
VIII. MACROS AND UI
Macros 30s CDs Cast Incarnation, Nature's Vigil, and activate trinkets. Trinkets used here should be int/SP, crit or mastery. Do not use on-use haste items here (save them for CA). #showtooltip13 = your top trinket slot, 14 = lower slotEngineers replace /use 13 with /use 10 for synapse springs. Celestial Alignment Cast Celestial Alignment and use any on-use haste items or trinkets. #showtooltip13 = your top trinket slot, 14 = lower slotBerserking is Troll only Engineers: if you used synapse springs in the 30s CDs macro, you can use an on-use trinket here. NS/HT Cast Nature's Swiftness and Healing Touch in one button (you will need to hit it twice if you try to use it while moving). Just be aware that if you macro it to cast one someone else and they are not in range, HT will not go off and you will not get the bonus damage if you have DoC. #showtooltipXXXX = your preferred target. Player = yourself, Focus = your current focus (must be friendly) or type in a specific player's name (e.g. your tank). Focus Swap Current target becomes your focus, and ex-focus becomes your target. /stopmacro [@focus,noexists]Focus Modifier DoTs Casts DoTs as normal, unless you have a modifier button held. Then it will cast DoTs on your focus. #showtooltipReplace "moonfire" with "sunfire" to do the same for SnF.Mouseover DoTs Will cast your dots on your mouseover target. If you don't have a mouseover target, it will cast them on your selected target. Really nice for multi-dot fights and works with unit frames, too (like boss frames). #showtooltipReplace "moonfire" with "sunfire" to do the same for SnF.Solar Beam It's nice that SB is off the GCD now, but it's still hard to fit it in as a caster, because we should always be casting. This macro will interrupt your current cast and get your solar beam in when you need it (NOW!). #showtooltipUser Interface What does a Moonkin need to know? There are lots of different things that we could clutter our screens with very easily, as any addon addict will tell you. But there are 5 specific things that Moonkin need to be able to see in a concise and clear manner to be able to make better decisions. 1. Your DoTs! You gotta know their duration on your target, and if applicable, your focus. Timer bars are usually the easiest way to visualize this, but some people prefer icons or counters. 2. Eclipse energy! How far away from procing or leaving eclipse you are, and which direction you're headed, are very important facts to keep track of and will definitely affect all sorts of decisions you need to make on the fly. 3. Your cooldowns! When is starfall back up? Can I use my trees now? What about starsurge? Innervate? The default UI shows this pretty clearly, but if that's not enough for you, there are a variety of options for making your CDs much more obvious. 4. Procs! Shooting stars procs are really important to keep track of, but you might also want to keep track of things like owlkin frenzy and trinkets. You should definitely spend some time thinking about which procs you really care about (hint: shooting stars) and which ones you don't really need to see. 5. Your health and mana! This may seem like a no brainer, but I figure it's worth mentioning. PS don't forget that you want to be able to actually see the game you're playing, too. ;) Recommended addons: If you have any questions about how to best set up any of these addons, feel free to ask. Balance Power Tracker http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18000-BalancePowerTracker.html BPT is a customizable eclipse bar mod that replaces the default one. The main features are predictive energy and a text warning on your screen when your next cast is going to trigger eclipse. I'd say this is probably the single best Moonkin addon out there, and I highly recommend it. Raven http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/raven Raven is a (de)buff tracker add that is *highly* customizable. You can use it to track your main buffs and debuffs, as a dot timer, a proc timer, a cooldown timer -- pretty much anything that involves buffs or debuffs, you can see it with Raven. I highly recommend this addon as well. Weak Auras http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/weakauras Weak Auras can be configured to show you procs, cooldowns, really whatever you want as a visual and/or audio display. It is incredibly customizable, but can be a little overwhelming to set up if you're not comfortable with addons (though it does come with a tutorial). In addition to your standard auras, you can make timer bars, use 3D textures from in game, and do other really, really cool things (including making an eclipse bar!). Quartz Cast Bar http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/quartz Quartz is a highly modular cast bar that shows a cast latency bar, too. It's a classic caster addon that can be used to show a variety of timers for things like cooldown durations, DoTs, debuffs, etc. But the best part of it is definitely the cast bar with the latency bar added in. Symbiosis http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/symbiosis I haven't personally used this addon, but I've seen several people recommend it and there seems to be a demand for something like it. It will tell you what you give/get from different classes, remind you to cast the spell, and also sends a whisper to the recipient telling them what they get. Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 12/5/12 11:42 AM (PST)
IX. CURRENT TIER TIPS AND VIDEOS
My youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/perturbedpenguin Cyous' youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/cyousxillidan I am going to start updating this as I experience the various fights. Because my guild only raids 2 nights a week, our progressions isn't always super fast, though, so I welcome any insights other moonkin have had regarding these fights. The EJ druid forums also have a new thread that basically covers the same thing I'm trying to do here. My intention isn't to copy what they're saying, but you'll see a lot of similarities between here and there. The EJ thread will also contain some discussion about the boss fights, though, so it is definitely worthwhile to check it out. You can find the thread here: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t130963-balance_encounter_mechanics_t14/ For the talent suggestions, I'm typically only going to make tier 1 and tier 6 suggestions. I assume you're taking Incarnation, but if not adjust your strat accordingly. MOGU'SHAN VAULTS The Stone Guard
Feng the Accursed
Gara'jal the Spirit Binder
Spirit Kings
Elegon
Will of the Emperor
HEART OF FEAR Imperial Vizier Zor'lok
Blade Lord Ta'yak
Garalon
Wind Lord Mel'jarak
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Edited by Eluial on 9/26/12 12:20 PM (PDT)
X. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Q: HALP! Where did my talents/idol/insect swarm/omen of clarity/whatever else go?! A: There are a lot of new changes in the game. Please read the whole sticky before you panic about anything new or missing. Q: Why is Incarnation on the GCD? And why is its GCD so slow? A: That's two questions, but I'll let it slide just this once. Incarnation is considered a shape shift, so even though it's a omgwowsupercoolbutton, it is on the global cooldown. Additionally, shapeshift GCDs are not affected by haste, which is why it seems a lot slower than your normal GCD (it seems that way because it IS that way!). Q: What are some good addons or other tools you use to help you moonkin better? A: For a discussion about addons and what a good moonkin UI should have, see the UI section here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582#9 There are also a variety of out-of-game tools that can help you improve your DPS or get a better sense of what gear to get, etc.
Q: Can you recommend any other moonkin websites, guides or blogs to read? A: Of course!
Q: LOLMOONFARESPAM A: Indeed. Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582 |
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Edited by Eluial on 11/9/12 1:36 PM (PST)
XI. MISTS OF PANDARIA LEVELING GUIDE
This is to help Moonkin who are leveling from 85-90 in MoP zones. It is not a comprehnsive leveling guide! For younger Moonkin looking for advice, please check out Lissanna's excellent Druid leveling guide here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/969937119. OK, so the verdict is in. Moonkin leveling in Panda-land is drawn out and painful, right? Our nukes suck, we're squishy and the eclipse mechanic is just SO BROKEN, AMIRITE? Nope, not even close. Moonkin leveling can be fun, engaging and downright deadly to your foes. Here's how you do it! Talents Tier 1 - Feline Swiftness Why? Wild Charge is versatile, and can be a decent option, but it requires at least 1 GCD to use, where as the bonus from Feline Swiftness is always there. Use a run speed enchant on your boots for an extra fast chicken. Tier 2 - Nature's Swiftness Why? Faster CD than renewal, more versatility and healing than Cenarion Ward. Tier 3 - Typhoon Why? Faerie Swarm is single target and Mass Entanglement, like roots, break on damage. Typhoon is the superior option for keeping a pack of slavering mobs who hunger for your chicken blood away from you. Tier 4 - Incarnation OR Force of Nature Why? I think the little tree dudes can be pretty good companions if used frequently, both for their roots and for their damage. Incarnation is a really good power CD to use if you find yourself in a sticky situation, however. SotF is nice, but the other options are going to help you out more. Tier 5 - Disorienting Roar OR Ursol's Vortex Why? Well, DR breaks on damage, but it has a really short CD to make up for that. It can be used to get you out of a really bad situation if you find yourself surrounded and low on health. UV, however, is a better pre-planning option. Typhoon + UV can keep a group of mobs off of you for a rather long time. Mighty Bash is just single target, and therefore pretty weak for leveling. Glyphs Gear As before, you're focusing on leather int gear and trinkets with int, crit, mastery or haste on-use/procs. Avoid spirit procs. There's no need to do full reforges every time you upgrade an item. Do try to stay hit capped for mobs 1-2 levels above you, though (If you plan on doing instances, 2 levels is a good idea. Otherwise, for just questing, 1 level above is probably enough). DPS strategy 1. Pre-pull: Use Astral Communion to position your eclipse bar to your advantage. There are several options here: 2. Tagging mobs: OK, now you want to find yourself a place where you can tag at least 3 mobs. In the beginning it's best to start off slow until you get the hang of things. 6-7 mobs (or more if they're weaker) at a time isn't an unrealistic amount to pull. 3. Killing: The goal here is to keep mobs off you while maintaining DPS on them. 4. Oh crap, I pulled too much! Table of Contents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490460582#1 |
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Edited by Eluial on 9/26/12 12:17 PM (PDT)
It was going to be another silly song. Hrmph.
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switching genres...
Don't hide yourself in regret Just love yourself and you're set I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way, born this way! |
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I just made this
I know I'm crazy But I'm all done now So post here maybe |
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:D From the old thread: So I have a question to throw out there for some people, so I have Heroic Cunning, RF Will of Unbinding, and Bottled Wishes, I have been using Heroic Cunning and RF WoB, which should I be using now? Would Bottled Wishes be better if used with Incarnation? The fights I can make fairly firm recommendations would be as follows: Madness and Yorsahj - cunning Spine, Ultraxion and Hagara - BW the others, meh, probably cunning just for its ilvl. But since we've never seen a single one drop I have no idea what its relative strengths/weaknesses are. |
Great for AOE Not so much single-target |
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Edited by Tagartou on 9/6/12 5:21 AM (PDT)
Didn't they increase the post limit to be huge? I hope that balance doesn't get so complex that we need 15 posts to describe everything.
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Edited by Phaydre on 9/6/12 1:37 PM (PDT)
Edit: deleting these links because my rendition of Eluial's and Cyous's rotation is in this thread now. =)
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