Why was Garrosh chosen as the evil guy?

85 Night Elf Druid
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Garrosh was always written to have a weak character, however I personally don't think it was until after TBC launched that Blizzard may have actually planned on him having the story arc he did. Though they claim they did already know what they were doing with him and Saurfang Jr., so who knows.

But anyone who doesn't think this was the plan all along hasn't really been paying attention to interviews. They were saying back in WoTLK that we hadn't seen the full scope of the story yet. Metzen also said Garrosh was meant to be a foil to Thrall in WoTLK. Vol'jin made it clear right at the start of Cataclysm that he despised Garrosh.

The only thing that has confused that is poor story telling, poor characterization(too many writers), and rare acts of honour on Garrosh's part(a mistake Blizzard doesn't really seem to want to live up to).

But if you honestly thought he wasn't going to become humbled like this at some point for going too far, you haven't been paying attention.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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I have no problem with him being humbled- at all. He needs it. They just could have done it in a much more constructive and interesting way
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88 Blood Elf Paladin
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They should just chop off his arms and legs, then put him in a Stormwind Hospital for the rest of his life. That way his very existence is dependent on the people he hated and wanted to kill.
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85 Night Elf Druid
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That's actually how they kind of got Napolean
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Garrosh was always written to have a weak character, however I personally don't think it was until after TBC launched that Blizzard may have actually planned on him having the story arc he did. Though they claim they did already know what they were doing with him and Saurfang Jr., so who knows.

But anyone who doesn't think this was the plan all along hasn't really been paying attention to interviews. They were saying back in WoTLK that we hadn't seen the full scope of the story yet. Metzen also said Garrosh was meant to be a foil to Thrall in WoTLK. Vol'jin made it clear right at the start of Cataclysm that he despised Garrosh.

The only thing that has confused that is poor story telling, poor characterization(too many writers), and rare acts of honour on Garrosh's part(a mistake Blizzard doesn't really seem to want to live up to).

But if you honestly thought he wasn't going to become humbled like this at some point for going too far, you haven't been paying attention.


Humbled yes, although I think making him an outright villain was something that came along much later.

Not that I'm complaining really. I think it's a good thing Blizzard finally decided on a solid direction for his character. And I also don't think it will negate his character development as long as the Horde grows and changes because of what Garrosh has done.
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90 Blood Elf Warlock
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Theramore was a deserted city used as a story and getting one place to anothr r in game. Everyone goes to stormwind or ironforge. Who csres about a 2nd rate city being blown up? Jaina is alive so its all good
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90 Worgen Hunter
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Because he makes an easy scapegoat. The Horde would be furious if incompetent fools like Vol'jin and Baine were called out and killed for their own crimes. Let's not even start on the Dark Lady who should be the first on the chopping block but popularity is the only thing keeping her from Justice.
Edited by Sardorim on 9/10/2012 2:15 PM PDT
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85 Night Elf Mage
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Yeah I agree, I don't see how you could see blizzard trying to make Garrosh kool in cata. He was pissing off two of it's main races. With his early questing interactions with the trolls/undead, if you were paying attention you could see that some sort of rebellion or trouble was on the rise. You could also see that Garrosh seemed to be paranoid and power hungry.
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85 Tauren Shaman
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I don't care how many jimmies it rustles on the Alliance side-make Garrosh live, and actually start his character over. Have him grow, and have him come to look his past self in the face thereafter, and have him become the better for it.

His core is weak-that's what has been said. I want to see that core get stronger, and atually give the character a fighting chance to be what he could be now that he wouldn't be just a pawn in the "War in Warcraft" mantra. That's what got him into the mess of development he has in the first place.


Too late. If he doesn't die after the Siege it'll make the Alliance look weak and the rest of the Horde look incompetent and wishy washy.

EDIT: Well, weak-ER and wishy-washy-ER
Edited by Skytotem on 9/10/2012 7:30 PM PDT
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90 Orc Warrior
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Humbled yes, although I think making him an outright villain was something that came along much later.

Not that I'm complaining really. I think it's a good thing Blizzard finally decided on a solid direction for his character. And I also don't think it will negate his character development as long as the Horde grows and changes because of what Garrosh has done.


No, instead they nuked almost every bit of development the Horde got since WC3 in favor of Saturday morning cartoon villainy.
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15 Blood Elf Hunter
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Humbled yes, although I think making him an outright villain was something that came along much later.

Not that I'm complaining really. I think it's a good thing Blizzard finally decided on a solid direction for his character. And I also don't think it will negate his character development as long as the Horde grows and changes because of what Garrosh has done.


No, instead they nuked almost every bit of development the Horde got since WC3 in favor of Saturday morning cartoon villainy.


I agree, I liked that the story was going down the path of the New Horde are a faction that basically rose up from races that used to be evil and are finding a place in the world, sure a few battles here and there but still overall a good faction, just as good as the other!

Now even if Garrosh gets pinned for everything, the Horde wont just change back, Orgrimmar wont just change to how it was.
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90 Dwarf Paladin
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More than anything, I pity Garrosh.

Is it me or do I see a lot of QQ from alliance from grom and garrosh? Not like alliancee players ever cared for it in the first place.

Alliance didn't really care about Garrosh until he blew up Theramore. It was mostly Hordies who complained about him.


I don't fault Garrosh for destroying Theramore and I don't fault him for how it was destroyed. Theramore was at war with the Horde. It was the life line for the Barrens campaign and it's destruction assured that the Horde's backyard was secure.

Also, he's not a mage. He didn't invent the bomb. He didn't even know what the bomb would do and probably didn't know where it came from. He likely asked the Blood Elves to pay their fair share and the mana bomb is what they came up with. If anyone has a complaint about the method used, put it forward to the Sunreavers and Silvermoon. They're the ones responsible.

09/10/2012 11:51 AMPosted by Desidarius
Garrosh on the other hand was untainted. Which makes him 10000000000x worse. He's just a big sack of stink all on his own. At least Grommash had an excuse.


But Garrosh IS corrupted. He's corrupted by the Horde's culture and historic revisionisim. Thrall LIED to Garrosh about his father. And in a bid to be more accepted by the Azerothian Orcs, he's fighting their battles and championing their causes. The battles and causes that Thrall only paid lip service to.

Garrosh doesn't hate the Alliance because of anything they did to him or have done to the Horde. He hates them because the Horde hates the Alliance.

And another thing; I may be wrong, but he doesn't want to kill everyone in the Alliance because he hates them. It's because he recognizes the fact that the Alliance will ALWAYS fight the Horde, forever, so long as there are any Alliance left to fight the Horde. And to me, that's almost a compliment. At least he recognizes the fact that the Alliance is resolved, something that pretty much no one else sees.

One more thing, he's not as dumb as people like to say he is. His most infamous example of his supposed stupidity is when he sent an escort out to attack an Alliance fleet, when out of nowhere Twilight Dragons and DEATHWING appeared and wrecked their air fleet. People like to say he was stupid for doing so, mostly because the goblin captain said so, but it's not his fault that he couldn't foresaw the actions of a bunch of insane dragons that came out of nowhere.
Edited by Cbredbeard on 9/10/2012 10:17 PM PDT
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90 Orc Warrior
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But Garrosh IS corrupted. He's corrupted by the Horde's culture and historic revisionisim. Thrall LIED to Garrosh about his father. And in a bid to be more accepted by the Azerothian Orcs, he's fighting their battles and championing their causes. The battles and causes that Thrall only paid lip service to.


Thrall didn't lie to Garrosh about Grom, he just didn't tell him the whole truth.

The first thing Thrall should have said to Garrosh back in Nagrand was "Everything you've heard about your father is absolutely true"

THEN he could have told Garrosh about his father's heroic defeat of Mannaroth and the lifting of the Blood Curse.

The message shouldn't have been, "Your father died a hero, there is no reason for you to feel shame" It should have been "Your father sunk as low as any Orc possbily could, and he still found the strength to pull his head out of his rectum and do what's right. What the hell is YOUR excuse for crying in the damn campfire?"
Edited by Lochnar on 9/10/2012 10:52 PM PDT
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90 Tauren Druid
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The message shouldn't have been, "Your father died a hero, there is no reason for you to feel shame" It should have been "Your father sunk as low as any Orc possbily could, and he still found the strength to pull his head out of his rectum and do what's right. What the hell is YOUR excuse for crying in the damn campfire?"


"By the way, go chat with Varok - have him tell you stories about the horrors he committed. And never forget."
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90 Night Elf Death Knight
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09/10/2012 10:50 PMPosted by Lochnar
Thrall didn't lie to Garrosh about Grom, he just didn't tell him the whole truth.


Same difference.

The message shouldn't have been, "Your father died a hero, there is no reason for you to feel shame" It should have been "Your father sunk as low as any Orc possbily could, and he still found the strength to pull his head out of his rectum and do what's right. What the hell is YOUR excuse for crying in the damn campfire?"


No, it should have been "After we kicked his butt with the help of a very powerful and gracious sorceress (who actually gave Grom the strength necessary to fight Mannoroth's influence) he died a violent death after leading a life full of violence. He didn't seek a better way of life. He followed a single, one tracked path and he lead many others down that path and never once did he shy away from it.

You however do not have to live in his shadow. You've protected your people well, guarded them against the forces of corruption that inhabit this broken land as well as anyone could have. When no one else had the strength to lead, you did what no else could. You've shouldered a great burdeon, and now you can lead your people to a brighter future than they could have ever dreamed"

Or something like that. Whitewashing Grom at all does nothing but open up the same path Grom followed, one full of violence and brutality. It doesn't matter if he died after killing a big fat demon. Why should such a thing be worth of any recognition? Something like that should be par the course.
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85 Undead Warlock
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This is why I'm practically on my knees hoping something good comes of this.

By all means, remove him as Warchief, but Good God if they throw away all that investment they put into him I might just rage with great, impotent fury.


I feel the same way. Even though I'm more Alliance than Horde (I love Forsaken, Sylvanas and Blood Elves only), I can't help to think the whole "I learned from someone in Northrend about honor" to be throw away like that.

Never liked Garrosh as a person, but as a character he was interesting with his development with Saurfang. Shame it has all been throw away.

And I fear it's just for more Green Jesus stuff. Some hideous plan to make him the better Warchief ever. They will find a way to make Thrall look like a hero in the end even though he was the one who began.

After 4.2/4.3, I don't expect anything good coming out of it, so I'm hopeless.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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The whole Hellscream legacy needs to just die out if Garrosh is going to be doing the same stupid things as his dad. Bunch of weak-willed, power-hungry, and bloodthirsty fools who will go to any lengths to satisfy their egos and bloodlust without a care as to the consequences.
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90 Night Elf Hunter
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In early Cata he really seemed to be getting better. Killed the warmonger in Stonetalon, told Sylvanas not to use bioweapons, etc. He even flirted a little with the orc girl chieftain of the Dragonmaw.

But now he's an evil insane cartoon villain who we will farm for purples.
Edited by Threeslotbag on 9/11/2012 3:16 AM PDT
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85 Human Warrior
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Were we ever given a reason for why he hates the Alliance as much as he does?
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