WoW Losing Its Social Aspect

90 Human Warlock
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I see 2 things wrong in your post gnome.

1. You claim to be not socializing while playing, yet you were playing with your girlfriend? Dude, pretending your girlfriend isn't a person is NOT cool.

2. From your perspective you want to make socializing mandatory to play the game, some people just like to be loners, and things like LFD and LFR help them do those activities without having to. Friends shouldn't be mandatory, they should be a wonderful thing you find by yourself.


Someones scared to post on their main, while also trolling in their post.

Hiding behind an alt behind a computer screen. Rawr.
90 Gnome Priest
7890
Someones scared to post on their main, while also trolling in their post.

Hiding behind an alt behind a computer screen. Rawr.


Wow, troll really is the new buzzword nowadays.

Having an opinion that's not yours =/= Trolling
Edited by Mareau on 9/13/2012 5:52 PM PDT
7 Draenei Hunter
0
There was a lot more socializing in 2005 than say 2012. Because we had to be social to get into groups, into 40-man raids, in a good player vs player team. Now it's click a button and wait. Unless you're in a really social guild, the changes over the near-decade are staggering.

Did you know there used to be a Looking For Group channel in each zone in the first few years of this game? That's what was used to set up a group.


That's the point of many of the arguments being made here. Old WoW had more socializing because it was absolutely necessary to get anywhere. That's not a good thing for a game meant to cater to numerous players with differing personalities and playstyles.

You can still socialize to the extent of old WoW if you want, but - here's the thing - only if you want to. If you're not socializing, then you either don't want to, or just not using the tools you're given.

09/13/2012 05:24 PMPosted by Karod
The game is as social as the players make it. Blizzard has added tools to make it easier for people to form groups but they're hardly mandatory. I still chat to people, make new friends. Sometimes it starts with something as simple as a compliment on someone's mount, or giving a stranger a /lick. Just like real life, friends don't happen automatically.


Another thing I do, is whenever I'm on a class capable of dropping buffs on people not in my party, I just drop it on whoever I run across and see who stops to either thank me or buff back.

09/13/2012 05:40 PMPosted by Ignatius
I completely agree. It started with the watering down of the game with the Lich King expansion. Too many people complained that they didn't get the chance to do the high end game raid's like Black Temple so Blizz made it where Everyone get's to do the highest dungeons. By doing this they made the game too easy where communication with other players is no longer necessary. In Outlands I had to constantly communicate withe other players to succeed. Now however I haven't actually communicated with anyone since Cata came out. I even deleted Vent because it is no longer needed and hasn't been for a long time. You no longer have to play smart and hard to earn a place in you're guilds hierarchy. Just Pug and Play. The Pug group destroyed WoW for me.


Then you didn't try. That's your fault, not Blizzard's.


I like this gnome, I would not eat him with BBQ sauce or a side of fries. This is the greatest honor a gnome can recieve amongst the Draenei
7 Draenei Hunter
0
I see 2 things wrong in your post gnome.

1. You claim to be not socializing while playing, yet you were playing with your girlfriend? Dude, pretending your girlfriend isn't a person is NOT cool.

2. From your perspective you want to make socializing mandatory to play the game, some people just like to be loners, and things like LFD and LFR help them do those activities without having to. Friends shouldn't be mandatory, they should be a wonderful thing you find by yourself.


Someones scared to post on their main, while also trolling in their post.

Hiding behind an alt behind a computer screen. Rawr.


Nah, I just like the shadow effect, like I'm some kind of wise hidden being only to be revealed when great wisdom is nessacery.
90 Human Priest
0
09/13/2012 05:41 PMPosted by Mareau
Then you didn't try. That's your fault, not Blizzard's.


You have no idea what you're talking about. Just trolling.
90 Blood Elf Warrior
8825
I remember before lfd if I was not a tank or healer I spent some time in Dalaran, dps lf heroic that was awesome. Now I get the choice to socialize with guild mates or hop in an lfd get my valor/justice then go about my day. Kudos to Blizz for giving people a choice! How social you and your gf choose to be is up to you.
Edited by Guttwister on 9/13/2012 6:17 PM PDT
Community Manager
I recently did RaF with my girlfriend and I realized how less social WoW is now. I realized this when she kept telling me how boring it was when she was on because she didn't know anyone. Back when I started playing, there was no cross-realm and you had to ask trade chat to join groups to do dungeons, which you actually had to communicate in. You needed to join a good active guild to survive well. My point is you had to be social and make friends to truly play the game. It's difficult to find social groups besides guilds.

To Blizzard: Do you intend on bringing any of this some what mandatory socialization back to the game?

There are still many facets of the game where socializing and communicating are mandatory. While maintaining the MMO nature, what we've been doing over the years is work to provide something for people to do when they don't have a lot of friends online, or not a lot of people on their realm who are willing or able to run a dungeon, or a Battleground.

This game has always had a broad appeal. We're committed to striking a balance between very social gameplay, and progression on a more individual level. We work to create systems to support different play styles so that, ideally, you get to choose how you want to spend your time in the game -- knowing that you progressed your character in some fashion by the time you log out.
Edited by Zarhym on 9/13/2012 6:20 PM PDT
70 Orc Shaman
10125
09/13/2012 05:12 PMPosted by Cleonan
o Blizzard: Do you intend on bringing any of this some what mandatory socialization back to the game?


gamers are to blame, not blizzard.

gamers are so caught up in being mr. popular in a digital world by trolling and drawing attention to their selves now that it kills the chat windows for the rest of us. Back in the day the channels were rather kosher and the trolls were on forums. Now their infection is here and has been for several years. As the years have gone by the chatter has died off slowly.

Now mmo gamers are too preoccupied with grinding and ignoring the trolls infesting the internet that they do not socialize... just like in their real life.

Want to cure it? do what i do... get in a large community raiding guild that talks non-stop, even when we're trying to do a heroic boss kill lol. Always fun when the raid leader has to go "!@#$!!" when the rage timer is nearing. Plus, the laughs I get while we're doing boring trash helps me heal from a stressful day.

but on a personal note, I hate when BGs are all quiet late in the night. Drives me insane that people would team up and not communicate.... at all. I can tolerate the quiet dungeons because nerdy grindy gamers will always be just that.
Edited by Yesimad on 9/13/2012 6:23 PM PDT
85 Undead Priest
6955
09/13/2012 06:20 PMPosted by Zarhym
There are still many facets of the game where socializing and communicating are mandatory.


Not to sound condescending, but where are these mandatory social aspects? Guilds seem to be the last bastion of socialization in this game. The Looking For X gameplay doesn't require or promote socialization and Random Battlegrounds are either full of trashtalk or nothing at all.

The game has lost a lot of it's social aspects from the beginning of WoW, I know you probably can't confirm or deny this due to people wildly throwing things you blues say out of context, but if you do deny this, could you perhaps list a few things that are mandatory socialization?

I know full well that it's the people that create the social aspect of the game, but I think the original poster meant to say that the game doesn't promote a healthy positive atmosphere for people to do this, unlike days long ago where there was actual repercussions for being a bad person.
90 Worgen Druid
11870
I don't play wow to socialize with other people. I like to log in, do a few things, then log out and be done for the day. I prefer to live outside of the game rather than in it.
90 Gnome Priest
7890
09/13/2012 05:53 PMPosted by Ignatius
Then you didn't try. That's your fault, not Blizzard's.


You have no idea what you're talking about. Just trolling.


No, you just can't listen to something that implies that you can't just blame all your problems on someone else.

And again, having an opinion that's not yours =/= Trolling. Don't use the big words you don't understand the meaning of.
95 Night Elf Druid
7545
Sometimes you need to start the ball rolling yourself. I find that saying hi and asking if there are any unusual fights at the start of a dungeon often get folks chatting (or leaving - but rather they left early than in the middle of a fight lol).
74 Human Hunter
10615
With all of the people playing, they need to make things quick and convinient so that people who only have a while to play can get stuff done.

Personally, I would LOVE for WoW to be the way it was back in the day; but they would never cut off half of their subscription base like that, and who could blame them?
100 Blood Elf Warlock
16450
I don't understand the "didn't know anyone part" , if you are in a guild, speak up, share knowledge, have fun, make fun, find that line and cross it a few times, be helpful.

Pretty soon, the people in guild know you enough, and you know them.
90 Undead Warrior
11940


It's a tricky thing... old players have seen friends come and go, guilds rise and fall, the moment become memory.


Since Cataclysm I've only seen guilds fall and none rise.
100 Tauren Druid
12095
09/13/2012 06:20 PMPosted by Zarhym
We work to create systems to support different play styles so that, ideally, you get to choose how you want to spend your time in the game -- knowing that you progressed your character in some fashion by the time you log out.


Oh, this is the freaking quote of the year right here.

There's a 289-page CRZ thread that would disagree with you. Not to mention most of the CRZ-related reddit AMA answers.

Support different play styles...oh, I love you, Zarhym.
90 Blood Elf Mage
5960
I'm actually confused: what rewards are there for grouping? I mean, sure, it's nice to group with people in your guild for instances or BGs, but it's not necessary and a lot of times I feel like it's just inconvenient to group.

SWTOR doesn't do much right, but one interesting feature they have is a lot of heroic areas all over their maps which aren't instances but do require groups to take down. The actual world of WoW right now - aside from the instances - is just not a place where you need help or anything. There are a very few bosses with higher suggested players, eg, but not nearly enough and no easy way to group to take on that content.

GW2 does the same thing even better by automatically grouping players who work together on content and rewarding everyone equally. I don't see why the actual world of WoW couldn't offer similar non-instanced groups.
Edited by Dspite on 9/13/2012 6:43 PM PDT
85 Night Elf Hunter
7090
Anyone remember logging into the human starting zone (Northshire) and see 20+ players running around questing and just shooting the crap? Those were the best times and one of the reasons I got hooked on this game.
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