Garrosh Hellscream: The Dark Knight

85 Worgen Rogue
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So since Garrosh is supposed to be the ultimate big baddie at the end of Mists of Pandaria, I got to thinking; what if there is more to the story of Garrosh Hellscream.

What if he is simply taking on the persona of being the bad guy to restore peace and order to the World of Warcraft, but nobody will ever really know. Garrosh does not fear, he knows the sacrifices he must make to preserve everything we have fought for.

So he will run.

"Why is he running, dad?" young Anduin asked his father.
"Because we have to chase him." Varian said sternly.
"But he didn't do anything wrong!" Anduin exclaimed.
"Because he's the hero that Warcraft deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him... because he can take it. Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector."


A Dark Knight.
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90 Night Elf Warrior
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I think it far more likely that Garrosh is just as he seems to be. A bombastic tool who's head is too small, even for Orc standards.

The only reason he even warrents being the big bad is because, this time, we may actually get to kill him ourselves, rather than having over powered NPC's helping us.
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Blowing up Theramore isn't wrong? Having your own citizens killed for not agreeing with you isn't wrong? Blowing up a whole inn full of people to kill two people isn't Wrong? Blockading an entire continent causing people to starve isn't wrong?
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85 Worgen Rogue
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You see, that's where the story gets interesting. It was made to look like Garrosh did those horrible things, but it was actually Thrall. This could never actually come to light, however, because Thrall must remain a symbol of justice. A beacon of hope for the dark, chaotic World of Warcraft. For this, Garrosh knew he had to make the ultimate sacrifice.
Edited by Joeqt on 9/22/2012 1:24 AM PDT
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90 Night Elf Warrior
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That story is almost as contrived as it is forced. It also totally ignores the fact that much of the out of game writing is in the 3rd person, and we already know whats going on because of that.

Honestly... this sounds like a Garrosh fan trying to find some good in a character that makes Stalin look tame. Not going to happen.

By the way, Warcraft draws on enough bad influances, can we leave those crap-tastic movies out of it? Gods forbid we become like FF14, with nothing but a rehashed, slapped to gether jumble of ideas that were bad when they were original.
Edited by Caeledor on 9/22/2012 1:27 AM PDT
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90 Human Paladin
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I'd like to explore the Garrosh character more when I play a Horde character. I want to see what his motivation is behind being a giant tool, and that his goals have more of a purpose rather than "RAR, ORC SMASH"
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85 Blood Elf Warlock
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Lol..this must be one of the better troll post..

I like the dark knight reference.

But none of your point makes any point.which is the point of a troll..just to get attention..u got mine..well done.
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90 Orc Death Knight
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09/22/2012 01:44 AMPosted by Arieus
I'd like to explore the Garrosh character more when I play a Horde character. I want to see what his motivation is behind being a giant tool, and that his goals have more of a purpose rather than "RAR, ORC SMASH"


He has no motivation. What he HAS got is a big moustache and a top hat to suit his role of saturday morning cartoon villian.
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62 Tauren Paladin
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Oh boy, it's this time again! Time to be ready to address nearly every post.

I think it far more likely that Garrosh is just as he seems to be. A bombastic tool who's head is too small, even for Orc standards.

The only reason he even warrents being the big bad is because, this time, we may actually get to kill him ourselves, rather than having over powered NPC's helping us.


I disagree with you, but I'll use this as a "Look through the other posts as to why" reason.

09/22/2012 01:19 AMPosted by Vorien
Blowing up Theramore isn't wrong? Having your own citizens killed for not agreeing with you isn't wrong? Blowing up a whole inn full of people to kill two people isn't Wrong? Blockading an entire continent causing people to starve isn't wrong?


By your very logic, the Alliance did the same injustice by destroying Camp T. With Cata, Theramore industrialized into the war. A great deal of Alliance influence in Central Kalimdor came from Theramore. And with war, you destroy your enemies main base if you can. Theramore was that thing. Granted, using a mana bomb is very iffy, but in all truth, it's no different than the attack of Camp-T, due to both were aiding in the war effort.

And I'm fairly certain that having your own citizens has already been stated numerous times on the forums and in the book, unknowning to Garrosh. The Korkron Blackrock (Malrok I think his name is) has been stated to be doing so on his own. Just as he did under Rend.

The Blockading part, I request you elaborate, due to I haven't the slightest of what you're talking about.

09/22/2012 01:25 AMPosted by Caeledor
Honestly... this sounds like a Garrosh fan trying to find some good in a character that makes Stalin look tame. Not going to happen.

Except for that you're comparing two complete opposites..

Read Garrosh's short story for one. Upon walking into Orgrimmar, he becomes furious that an orc is speaking poorly of Thrall, until she explains that Thrall had put them into a barren wasteland with minimum food, where people were starving, and with minimum water. All to just teach them a lesson of "WE CAN NEVER GO BACK TO HOW WE WERE! LEARN YOUR PLACE!"

Then beyond it, Theramore was the first real morbid thing Garrosh did.

Stonetalon and Twilight Highlands were about the only things we saw of Garrosh in game. One, was to show that he would execute his own General for killing innocents. Two, was to demonstrate that he held a fire in his heart for the Alliance, due to how poorly his people (And the entirety of the Horde) had been living.

Other than that? We've seen through books that he challenged Carine to a duel to the death, but wasn't honorably won by Magtha's foul deeds. We've seen that he's clashed with Varian, who is his enemy. And we've seen that he rules the Horde far stronger than Thrall did, but not so strong that he's killed everyone that poses a threat to him (Baine, Vol'jin, ect).

09/22/2012 01:44 AMPosted by Arieus
I'd like to explore the Garrosh character more when I play a Horde character. I want to see what his motivation is behind being a giant tool, and that his goals have more of a purpose rather than "RAR, ORC SMASH"

Honestly, there's not a lot behind him being a "giant tool". It's just suddenly Theramore. If you truly read the quest text, and the outside sources (I'd just say the short story) he's not too much of a bad guy.

Just Theramore was the first step for Blizzard to villianize him in an attempt to get anyone who possibly did like him as Warchief, to want a different one.
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82 Troll Druid
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Oh god, you're trying to make Garrosh into a tragic hero... Haha that's about the richest thing I've seen in weeks!

09/22/2012 01:18 AMPosted by Caeledor
I think it far more likely that Garrosh is just as he seems to be. A bombastic tool who's head is too small, even for Orc standards.


And this.
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90 Human Paladin
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Without reading deeply into the analogy and jumping onto either the Garrosh or Thrall fan-wagons, I thought the post was very amusing and the author made some funny parallels.

Thumbs up.
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90 Human Paladin
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http://www.wowpedia.org/Dark_Knight

There can only be one.
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85 Troll Rogue
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And I'm fairly certain that having your own citizens has already been stated numerous times on the forums and in the book, unknowning to Garrosh. The Korkron Blackrock (Malrok I think his name is) has been stated to be doing so on his own. Just as he did under Rend.

Yeah, under Rend. Did you forget Rend was also insane and evil?

The Blockading part, I request you elaborate, due to I haven't the slightest of what you're talking about.

In the Jaina Proudmore book he begins blocking the night elves trade. I don't particular see this as that evil. Blockading trade and supplies in war isn't exactly an unheard of tactic.

Read Garrosh's short story for one. Upon walking into Orgrimmar, he becomes furious that an orc is speaking poorly of Thrall, until she explains that Thrall had put them into a barren wasteland with minimum food, where people were starving, and with minimum water. All to just teach them a lesson of "WE CAN NEVER GO BACK TO HOW WE WERE! LEARN YOUR PLACE!"

Garrosh has been rebooted every time we see him. Now he's sending out his guards to beat up anyone with disagrees with him in a back alley. The mushroom vendor didn't even voice disagreement towards Garrosh, he just nodded when Eitrigg was talking.

Then beyond it, Theramore was the first real morbid thing Garrosh did.

It's really not going to be the last.

Stonetalon and Twilight Highlands were about the only things we saw of Garrosh in game. One, was to show that he would execute his own General for killing innocents. Two, was to demonstrate that he held a fire in his heart for the Alliance, due to how poorly his people (And the entirety of the Horde) had been living.

The first one is extremely ironic. The second one just shows he's an idiot. "ATTACK THOSE ALLIANCE PIGS!" "B-but sir we'll lose our escort and air support." I'm sure it's a coincidence that the fleet was soon destroyed after Garrosh's brilliant tactics.

Other than that? We've seen through books that he challenged Carine to a duel to the death, but wasn't honorably won by Magtha's foul deeds. We've seen that he's clashed with Varian, who is his enemy. And we've seen that he rules the Horde far stronger than Thrall did, but not so strong that he's killed everyone that poses a threat to him (Baine, Vol'jin, ect).

I find it funny how he didn't even care he just killed one of the greatest heroes of the Horde by basically stabbing him in the back, even if it was unknowing to him at the time. The most he did was send Magatha a "you took my honor you suck" letter and then do nothing. He didn't even help the tauren re-take Thunder Bluff, instead they had to ask Jaina. What a great leader. The only people he actually leads strongly are orcs and blood elves for some odd reason.

Honestly, there's not a lot behind him being a "giant tool". It's just suddenly Theramore. If you truly read the quest text, and the outside sources (I'd just say the short story) he's not too much of a bad guy.

He's quite a tool. But to be honest his character has never been consistent. Every expansion we're introduced to a new character who only has the same name. The short story is basically non-canon now. I'd say him sending his gesta-Kor'kron to go beat up any civillians who doesn't show his full support, be blatantly racist to his own people that aren't orcs or blood elves, be pigheaded in general and then drop the equivalent of a nuke on a city that didn't even provoke him makes him a bit of a tool.

Just Theramore was the first step for Blizzard to villianize him in an attempt to get anyone who possibly did like him as Warchief, to want a different one.

He was rather arrogant before that, but again he was never consistent. They tried in Cataclysm to get people to like him but few did, and now they're going to get rid of him.
Edited by Sgtcrispy on 9/22/2012 10:53 AM PDT
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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Arkturas Mengsk maybe.
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When Orgrimmar is ashes, then you have my permission to die.
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90 Tauren Shaman
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You know....it would almost be worth it for the phrase:

"I am the God damned BatOrc!"
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90 Human Death Knight
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This is what the Sylvanas fanboys sound like when they try to pretend she's a good person.
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TREMBLE MORTALS, AND DESPAIR.

MS PAINT HAS COME TO THIS WORLD.

http://imageshack.us/a/img525/805/whysoseriousg.jpg
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62 Tauren Paladin
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09/22/2012 10:52 AMPosted by Sgtcrispy
Yeah, under Rend. Did you forget Rend was also insane and evil?

Not at all, I completely remember that. But the thing is that unbeknowest. Even under Rend, all that was said was Malkrok would just smile and play stupid. A young Warchief, who really shouldn't have been Warchief in the first place? Yeah.. I'm kinda not seeing the Far more evil than I'm seeing the Far more youthfully stupid.

09/22/2012 10:52 AMPosted by Sgtcrispy
Garrosh has been rebooted every time we see him. Now he's sending out his guards to beat up anyone with disagrees with him in a back alley. The mushroom vendor didn't even voice disagreement towards Garrosh, he just nodded when Eitrigg was talking.

I truly can't disagree with you there. And truthfully, I see nothing wrong with ruffling a few feathers in times of war. It was shown with the Defias, and any who left for the Twilight, that you really can't trust anyone that dares to question your rule (Defias are far more subjective). And while I'll say that Garrosh rules the Horde by doing so, he has no idea of Malkrorks malicious intents for murder.

09/22/2012 10:52 AMPosted by Sgtcrispy
The first one is extremely ironic. The second one just shows he's an idiot. "ATTACK THOSE ALLIANCE PIGS!" "B-but sir we'll lose our escort and air support." I'm sure it's a coincidence that the fleet was soon destroyed after Garrosh's brilliant tactics.

The first one, I adored. He showed that he wasn't going to have his General attack an unarmed druid school that isn't part of the war. Which truthfully, he hasn't ordered for any unarmed to do so. The second is just stupidity, and well, ignorance in believing he controlled the sky and the might of the Horde couldn't be destroyed.

I find it funny how he didn't even care he just killed one of the greatest heroes of the Horde by basically stabbing him in the back, even if it was unknowing to him at the time. The most he did was send Magatha a "you took my honor you suck" letter and then do nothing. He didn't even help the tauren re-take Thunder Bluff, instead they had to ask Jaina. What a great leader. The only people he actually leads strongly are orcs and blood elves for some odd reason.

Well, in all fairness, Carine did challenge him to the duel to the death. That's about all I can say there. He didn't step in for Baine, you're completely right.

09/22/2012 10:52 AMPosted by Sgtcrispy
He's quite a tool. But to be honest his character has never been consistent. Every expansion we're introduced to a new character who only has the same name. The short story is basically non-canon now. I'd say him sending his gesta-Kor'kron to go beat up any civillians who doesn't show his full support, be blatantly racist to his own people that aren't orcs or blood elves, be pigheaded in general and then drop the equivalent of a nuke on a city that didn't even provoke him makes him a bit of a tool.

How do you figure that?

BC- Thought his father damned his people. Wasn't wanting the will to go on.
WotLK-Taken under the wing of Thrall more or less, learned to despise the Alliance after learning what happened with his people after the Dark Portal was closed.
Cata-Taking reign of the Horde suddenly because Thrall has to go be Green-Jesus. Immediately has Vol'jin against him along with Carine soon enough.

All we've seen is more or less progression of an orc who loves his people. To say the short story is non-canon is just a very lore-unfriendly statement, and completely in-valid.

And as I've stated, Theramore is kinda you know, the first step to put Garrosh into a top hat and a twirly mustache. You can say "Nope, character progression" but the sad fact of the matter is, Blizzard has already stated he's going to be the last boss of the X-pac. As a leader of a faction, Blizzard is attempting to swoon any supporters off of Garrosh.

09/22/2012 10:52 AMPosted by Sgtcrispy
He was rather arrogant before that, but again he was never consistent. They tried in Cataclysm to get people to like him but few did, and now they're going to get rid of him.

Arrogance =/= Villian. Personally, once it got to Lich King and he started acting as he should have the entire time, I know a lot of players started to like Garrosh. But to each their own, so I can't really add anything there.
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90 Dwarf Paladin
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09/22/2012 01:23 PMPosted by Rahddon
The first one, I adored. He showed that he wasn't going to have his General attack an unarmed druid school that isn't part of the war. Which truthfully, he hasn't ordered for any unarmed to do so. The second is just stupidity, and well, ignorance in believing he controlled the sky and the might of the Horde couldn't be destroyed.


It wasn't stupid to send the escorts out to attack the Alliance fleet. The fleet appeared vunerable and also seemed to be heading towards the Highlands. He attacked an enemy preparing to make land fall in the same place the Horde was.

And yes, he was igornant of the Twilight Drakes and Deathwing. But you know what? No one knew they were there. There was no warning, there were no reported sightings of either or. Lacking clairvoyance doesn't make Garrosh stupid.
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