TBH I would hate if my BiS was DM card.
those things wont go for less than 30-40k. I much rather farm TB dailies again than pay that much for a trinket.
In any case, my basic argument stands. Even if you used the Earthen JC trinket in the first boss or two in T11, it was quickly replaced. It was by no means an optimal trinket. In contrast, the Monarch Crab was one of your two best trinkets until you got BOTH the Heart of Iron from 25 man Ignis and the Royal Seal of King Llane from Yogg-10. If you only had access to 10 man raids (and thus no access to Heart of Iron) then you were wearing the Crab until you got a Brewcrap stam trinket into ICC. The Crab had a MUCH longer useful life than the crappy blue stam trinket in Cata, and I believe much longer than the devs wanted--- because it gave JC's a significant advantage through at leat part of the second tier of WotLK's raiding.
Figurine - Earthen Guardian? Are you frikking serious? It was HORRIBLE. Vial of Stolen Memories was less bad only by a degree unless you were in a stamina-specific encounter. A Stam trinket in a Mastery environment: that was why it didn't see more use.Those stam trinkets only gave 10k health in cata. Only legitimate users I believed was the 25m heroic tanks. Anyone else it turned them from a damage soak into a mana sponge. They were fine on fights with high magic damage too, but overall situational in the early part of the expansion.
For a shield tank, it was Impetuous Query + Mirror of Broken Images that was a better combo for most (admittedly not all) tanking circumstances. I used Figurine - King of Boars until I got my Mirror.
The Monarch Crab, by contrast, was a Stamina trinket, with a Stamina socket bonus, and two gem slots that could hold a Stamina and a Stam/hybrid gem--- or dual stamina gems and skip the bonus--- and an on-demand Dodge clicky. It was easily worthwhile as one of your trinkets through Ulduar. And if your raid was an exclusively 10-man, you were wearing the Crab into ToC.
Those stam trinkets only gave 10k health in cata. Only legitimate users I believed was the 25m heroic tanks. Anyone else it turned them from a damage soak into a mana sponge. They were fine on fights with high magic damage too, but overall situational in the early part of the expansion.
What? No. Magic damage was everywhere in t11. There's a reason Mirror was practically considered a necessity and it wasn't because of the passive mastery.Where did I say magic damage wasn't everywhere? I mentioned fights with high magic damage, hello Cho'gall/Nef.
Becoming block capped wasn't commonplace until t12 and even then not until later in. Until then surviving Cho'gall's 2 stack strikes among other mechanics relied on your - you got it - health pool.
10/03/2012 11:43 AMPosted by JudgebotIf you are relying on stam trinket/s so the boss (in other than 25m heroics) doesn't kill you in a hit or two the underlying issue is you are under geared or messing up.
Because way back in Burning Crusade, it was a fantastic trinket for a long, long time.
Which I keep denoting in 25m H. Others were sub optimal to.
In any case, my basic argument stands.
Epic gems were almost useless to JC's as a source of income without the ability to prospect for them
While BS, enchanters, tailors, and lw's all got either-or-both drops (Ulduar and maybe ToC) and purchasable epic designs (ICC, FL dailies, etc), JC and Engineers got jack-crap-nothing
and actually made JC's stats bonus less than before they were released, because as far as I can remember, the Chimera's Eyes were not re-adjusted the way WotLK's Dragon's Eye gems were.
25H was not the only place for Stamina trinkets. Even Nefarian on 10N fit the criteria, Al'Akir on any mode, Sinestra on either mode, etc.Al'Akir, I don't think so since you could run no trinkets and kill him. Nef was fine if not under geared. Sin, got me there idk.
If the content was Halfus Normal followedby V&T followed by do nothing for the rest of the expansion, you'd have a point.
Since the Figurine - Monarch Crab, Titanium Earthguard Ring, and possibly the Titanium Earthguard Chain, JC has not had one single tanking trinket, ring, or neck worth making.
10/03/2012 01:34 PMPosted by SlashloveEngineers got jack-crap-nothing
Shut up Fean.
Stamina and Armor were almost the only stackable stats that mattered (obviously Defense to uncrittability); it provided Stamina, a Stamina socket bonus, and not one but TWO sockets. It was tailored to its era perfectly, and was useful deep into raiding.
Of course there were still times for Stamina trinkets. There will always be situations favoring Stamina trinkets. But for general-purpose non-heroic 25 tanking in Cata, Mastery was a much better option. And a heroic 25 tank was not sporting a Guardian.
4) OK, then even Engineering got cool stuff, and ONLY JC got absolutely nothing worthwhile to craft for raiding since Wrath's initial release.
10/03/2012 09:03 PMPosted by SlashloveCrab existed in an era where Stamina trinkets just didn't exist; its competition was Defender's Code and Rune of Repulsion. Do you think that if the raid dropped Bedrock Talisman and Darkmoon Card, the Guardian wouldn't have continued to be a strong trinket?
The Guardian provided Stamina, no sockets, in a Cata era where Mastery was king until block-capped.
10/04/2012 05:30 AMPosted by FeanorionUnless, of course, you were a Death Knight or Druid---
C'mon. We're talking REAL tanks. And real tanks carry shields.
(yes, lol intended)
OK, then even Engineering got cool stuff, and ONLY JC got absolutely nothing worthwhile to craft for raiding since Wrath's initial release.
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