Rogue PvE in 5.1.0 (All Specializations)

90 Blood Elf Rogue
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09/30/2012 12:17 PMPosted by Feyris
Honk

Just 90 more seconds. >_>

Whatever; thanks to anyone else who was more patient, you can start posting while I edit in the content.
Edited by Verelyse on 9/30/2012 12:18 PM PDT
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I totally waited, wondering what the hell you were working on this time.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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So while you're still editing this, and before I even know if this is answered already, what do you think about rupture in combat?
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09/30/2012 12:21 PMPosted by Unseen
So while you're still editing this, and before I even know if this is answered already, what do you think about rupture in combat?


Not used iirc.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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09/30/2012 12:21 PMPosted by Unseen
So while you're still editing this, and before I even know if this is answered already, what do you think about rupture in combat?

From what I gathered from EJ (and put in the guide) it's the same rules as T12: use it during single-target DPS when it's down and you're not using blade flurry or energy capping (as long as your target will live long enough for its full duration). I'm 99% sure we shouldn't use it during deep insight, though, since it now scales dynamically with the bandit's guile buff. So then we'll probably use eviscerate.

This could change as we get logs to pour over next week.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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09/30/2012 12:30 PMPosted by Verelyse
So while you're still editing this, and before I even know if this is answered already, what do you think about rupture in combat?

From what I gathered from EJ (and put in the guide) it's the same rules as T12: use it during single-target DPS when it's down and you're not using blade flurry or energy capping (as long as your target will live long enough for its full duration). I'm 99% sure we shouldn't use it during deep insight, though, since it now scales dynamically with the bandit's guile buff. So then we'll probably use eviscerate.

This could change as we get logs to pour over next week.


Yeah, that's kind of what I was expecting. The dynamic scaling is a nice change though.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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Wait, now I'm feeling like I reversed that, because that's how rupture and BG worked in Cata.

Um...

Brb, going to find a target dummy.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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My bad! Rupture damage is now locked in at whatever insight level you use it at, so use it whenever.
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87 Blood Elf Rogue
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Awesome post, thank you very much!

(Note: "rouge" on first line...)
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90 Pandaren Rogue
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09/30/2012 12:50 PMPosted by Swiift
(Note: "rouge" on first line...)


Inside joke.
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10 Goblin Rogue
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Just wanted to say that it feels amazing to be included in the opening post.

<3 Vere

Edit:

(Note: "rouge" on first line...)


Have fun with Heartcrusher
Edited by Sheevah on 9/30/2012 1:18 PM PDT
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87 Blood Elf Rogue
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hahah

My bad then, I just thought it would be a shame to ruin an amazing contribution with a typo. My bad :)
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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hahah

My bad then, I just thought it would be a shame to ruin an amazing contribution with a typo. My bad :)

Don't worry, we'll patch you up and resurrect you when its all over. :)
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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For Assassination, in terms of our AoE rotation, would it be beneficial to use Envenom at 5CP if Crimson Tempest is still up?
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90 Undead Rogue
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Brilliant intro! No time to read this now though :(
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90 Undead Rogue
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So I'm just gonna point out the problems with the sub portion and you can do with them what you want. I'm sure you know a lot of them and have omited them due to space and depth considerations but hey, I just gotta.

Single-Target:

Opening: Begin the fight with ambush

Actually Garrote, see my guide.

09/30/2012 12:07 PMPosted by Verelyse
You should pool energy at 4 combo points in anticipation of this proc.


Unless you have Anticipation, in which case this is a lot less important and its actually better to always have some CP or anticipation charges on you just in case you proc something nice.

09/30/2012 12:07 PMPosted by Verelyse
You may want to use a 1 combo point crimson tempest early to gain the sanguinary vein effect

Pretty sure there aren't any situations where you don't want to do this.

09/30/2012 12:07 PMPosted by Verelyse
Subtlety does not pair this cooldown with shadow dance; instead, use it at a point during your normal rotation when find weakness is not activated.

More accurately, we don't pair it with FW, which means ShD, ShMeld, and Vanish. But yeah.

09/30/2012 12:07 PMPosted by Verelyse
"Allows the use of abilities which usually require stealth, and reduces the energy cost of ambush by 20. Lasts 8 seconds."[/i]

You need another italics marker. Also not sure if you said this but might need to specify that you only use Ambush here (not garrote) since you will use garrote in the opener.

Vanish: "Allows the rogue to enter stealth while in combat." As subtlety, you should use this ability to activate master of subtlety before using shadow dance, increasing your damage by 10% for 6 seconds. Preparation can reset the cooldown on vanish, but shadowstep is usually still better.

Err, no, you should use this at a different time than ShD since it gives you another opener(s), which means you get FW again, which means using ShD would overwrite FW and be a considerable DPS loss.

Love,

Hail

<3
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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Thanks, sub was definitely the fuzziest one. :)

I'll get on that right away.
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89 Undead Warrior
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Thanks for the guide but im quitting the rogue and leveling my warrior...
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