5.0.5 Rogue PvP Spec

Whats the new spec going to be? I'm getting !@#$ on as sub. Killing Spree seems to !@@%!#@@ damage and kills if used in the opener. Havent tried assasination. what do yall think
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100 Gnome Rogue
5500
I switched from sub to assassination. Granted, I'm no where near 90 yet, but I think it was the right choice. I'm still getting used to either feeling very vulnerable (if I take shadowstep) or waddling everywhere (if I take prep), but if I set up kills -really- carefully, Dispatch is kind of satisfying and effective.

Definitely a sucky nerf, but I think the poison damage with assassination is where it's at, at least until we all gear up.
Edited by Mitta on 10/1/2012 11:40 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
GoA
12560
Cant wait for new season i just got my finale Pve gear and i already got full contender gear Lets go!!!!!
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90 Undead Rogue
12140
I've played every spec in bgs for at least a couple of days each since the expansion.

Sub is good to play for when you're with your team for it's amazing cc capability. I've been playing it for the past two days. The easiest kidneys come from this spec as well as more garrotes and cheap shots, however if you expect to get a lot of kills and score high damage, sub isn't for you. The only decent damaging move you'll have is ambush which doesn't occur often enough in my opinion.

Combat relies on it's cooldown moves, but you also get the passive ability relentless blades. I find that because of killing spree it has the best opener. You also get a shortened sprint, but I feel that energy regeneration is the slowest as combat. I feel like it's slower than assassin because of how assassin is played. Unlike mut you're constantly and quickly spamming sin which is a pain when you don't have the energy for it at times. I think killing spree is the reason as to why most users play as combat because without it, it'd be worthless for PvP.

Assassin is my favorite out of the three but it also has the most limited control and talent tree selection. I get the highest damage and most killing blows in bgs as this spec. It may feel slow but don't think about mut. Calmly mut and think of kiting techniques, think more about your disarms, blinds, smoke bombs, gouges, and kicks. In my opinion it is also the best choice for classes that try to kite because keep in mind your poisons do all the damage for you. Most classes die in the process of trying to kite.

My opinion for best talent selection as assassination are:
15: Shadow focus: A free cheap shot or garrote. It's also the fastest way to get your rupture and slice and dice up, all it takes is two muts to get started (which won't be a problem with this selection)

30: Combat Readiness: Because you're not sub you're exchanging your control for damage so you're going to need self defense. This move has saved me plenty of times! You don't do enough kidneys and cheap shots to rely on nerve strike and because of your poisons always ticking, staying on your target constantly is less of a worry for deadly throw.

45: I'm currently using cheat death which isn't great, but isn't too bad as assassin. With a healer on you it can be very very rewarding, but after you get your 4pc leeching poison will be your best choice.

60: Shadow Step: Costs no energy. Mut is a very relaxed playstyle so remember if it's on cooldown that your poisons are ticking on your target, so pop a smoke bomb and stand inside. Chances are by the time your smoke bomb ends you'll either be able to stealth back to your target without a vanish or your step will be shortened by 5-7 seconds.

75: Dirty Tricks: MUST for assassin otherwise you'll absolutely hate it. Your 10 sec cooldown gouge will turn into a 15 second cooldown without this. Also because your damage is basically dots, your targets will be hurting in a blind and gouge and the only thing they can do about it is trinket.

90: Versatility: I use this all the time as assassination. As mut I hardly ever find myself going over the combo point limit unless I use shadow blades, so anticipation isn't really needed. If you have versatility use it! It is very very good in this spec and you can play warlock and dot/rupture multiple targets.

I'm still not exactly sure about talents for the other two specs. I've played them both, I liked sub more than combat but I still didn't feel comfortable with either one so I'm not the best person to get advice from about these two.
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90 Undead Rogue
12140
Sorry for wall.
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90 Human Rogue
12585
Mut>sub>comb
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90 Human Rogue
9700
Yeah think I'm going to try mut.

I always loved playing mutilate, but switched due to the lack of mobility.

I don't know if I will go shadowstep or burst of speed though... BoS is exactly what I wanted while I was playing mut.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
8605
Sub is definitely nothing like it was from BC on up. I doubt it can really be considered a good spec for PvP anymore.
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90 Human Rogue
8245
I've played every spec in bgs for at least a couple of days each since the expansion.

Sub is good to play for when you're with your team for it's amazing cc capability. I've been playing it for the past two days. The easiest kidneys come from this spec as well as more garrotes and cheap shots, however if you expect to get a lot of kills and score high damage, sub isn't for you. The only decent damaging move you'll have is ambush which doesn't occur often enough in my opinion.

Combat relies on it's cooldown moves, but you also get the passive ability relentless blades. I find that because of killing spree it has the best opener. You also get a shortened sprint, but I feel that energy regeneration is the slowest as combat. I feel like it's slower than assassin because of how assassin is played. Unlike mut you're constantly and quickly spamming sin which is a pain when you don't have the energy for it at times. I think killing spree is the reason as to why most users play as combat because without it, it'd be worthless for PvP.

Assassin is my favorite out of the three but it also has the most limited control and talent tree selection. I get the highest damage and most killing blows in bgs as this spec. It may feel slow but don't think about mut. Calmly mut and think of kiting techniques, think more about your disarms, blinds, smoke bombs, gouges, and kicks. In my opinion it is also the best choice for classes that try to kite because keep in mind your poisons do all the damage for you. Most classes die in the process of trying to kite.

My opinion for best talent selection as assassination are:
15: Shadow focus: A free cheap shot or garrote. It's also the fastest way to get your rupture and slice and dice up, all it takes is two muts to get started (which won't be a problem with this selection)

30: Combat Readiness: Because you're not sub you're exchanging your control for damage so you're going to need self defense. This move has saved me plenty of times! You don't do enough kidneys and cheap shots to rely on nerve strike and because of your poisons always ticking, staying on your target constantly is less of a worry for deadly throw.

45: I'm currently using cheat death which isn't great, but isn't too bad as assassin. With a healer on you it can be very very rewarding, but after you get your 4pc leeching poison will be your best choice.

60: Shadow Step: Costs no energy. Mut is a very relaxed playstyle so remember if it's on cooldown that your poisons are ticking on your target, so pop a smoke bomb and stand inside. Chances are by the time your smoke bomb ends you'll either be able to stealth back to your target without a vanish or your step will be shortened by 5-7 seconds.

75: Dirty Tricks: MUST for assassin otherwise you'll absolutely hate it. Your 10 sec cooldown gouge will turn into a 15 second cooldown without this. Also because your damage is basically dots, your targets will be hurting in a blind and gouge and the only thing they can do about it is trinket.

90: Versatility: I use this all the time as assassination. As mut I hardly ever find myself going over the combo point limit unless I use shadow blades, so anticipation isn't really needed. If you have versatility use it! It is very very good in this spec and you can play warlock and dot/rupture multiple targets.

I'm still not exactly sure about talents for the other two specs. I've played them both, I liked sub more than combat but I still didn't feel comfortable with either one so I'm not the best person to get advice from about these two.


Wow, fantastic info! Thanks so much. Helped me change my talents for 90 pvp. If I could give you rep I would!
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90 Human Rogue
6580
Sub is good to play for when you're with your team for it's amazing cc capability. I've been playing it for the past two days. The easiest kidneys come from this spec as well as more garrotes and cheap shots, however if you expect to get a lot of kills and score high damage, sub isn't for you. The only decent damaging move you'll have is ambush which doesn't occur often enough in my opinion.

Combat relies on it's cooldown moves, but you also get the passive ability relentless blades. I find that because of killing spree it has the best opener. You also get a shortened sprint, but I feel that energy regeneration is the slowest as combat. I feel like it's slower than assassin because of how assassin is played. Unlike mut you're constantly and quickly spamming sin which is a pain when you don't have the energy for it at times. I think killing spree is the reason as to why most users play as combat because without it, it'd be worthless for PvP.

Assassin is my favorite out of the three but it also has the most limited control and talent tree selection. I get the highest damage and most killing blows in bgs as this spec. It may feel slow but don't think about mut. Calmly mut and think of kiting techniques, think more about your disarms, blinds, smoke bombs, gouges, and kicks. In my opinion it is also the best choice for classes that try to kite because keep in mind your poisons do all the damage for you. Most classes die in the process of trying to kite.

My opinion for best talent selection as assassination are:
15: Shadow focus: A free cheap shot or garrote. It's also the fastest way to get your rupture and slice and dice up, all it takes is two muts to get started (which won't be a problem with this selection)

30: Combat Readiness: Because you're not sub you're exchanging your control for damage so you're going to need self defense. This move has saved me plenty of times! You don't do enough kidneys and cheap shots to rely on nerve strike and because of your poisons always ticking, staying on your target constantly is less of a worry for deadly throw.

45: I'm currently using cheat death which isn't great, but isn't too bad as assassin. With a healer on you it can be very very rewarding, but after you get your 4pc leeching poison will be your best choice.

60: Shadow Step: Costs no energy. Mut is a very relaxed playstyle so remember if it's on cooldown that your poisons are ticking on your target, so pop a smoke bomb and stand inside. Chances are by the time your smoke bomb ends you'll either be able to stealth back to your target without a vanish or your step will be shortened by 5-7 seconds.

75: Dirty Tricks: MUST for assassin otherwise you'll absolutely hate it. Your 10 sec cooldown gouge will turn into a 15 second cooldown without this. Also because your damage is basically dots, your targets will be hurting in a blind and gouge and the only thing they can do about it is trinket.

90: Versatility: I use this all the time as assassination. As mut I hardly ever find myself going over the combo point limit unless I use shadow blades, so anticipation isn't really needed. If you have versatility use it! It is very very good in this spec and you can play warlock and dot/rupture multiple targets.


10/10

I specc'd Elusiveness since I'm spending most of my time out of stealth and 30% Reduction on top of the rest of our CDs is just too good imo. And Anticipation for 2 Envenoms, but thats really a personal choice more than anything else. Great post
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100 Human Rogue
10325
Combat.

Sub is garbage, Mut is sub-par.

Combat is very strong, has great burst, decent energy regen, and compiled with BoS, the mobility isn't bad.

I play 2s with a boomkin and after playing around with specs and strategies we've found success. We're beating BM hunter teams, we're beating warrior teams, overall I'm having fun.

Yes, damage outside of our 3 cooldowns (Killing Spree, Adrenaline Rush, Shadow Blades) is slow, but we still have good control to survive until our cooldowns are back up again.

Try combat. I've played around with all three specs and combat is by far the best.

Take time, look at your spec, play around with things until you find something that suits your play style. I'm having a lot of fun in pvp right now, and anyone who says combat is bad is bad.
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100 Blood Elf Rogue
13075
I loved sub, in MoP it's horrible. I had just switched to assassination from combat, sticking to your targets is a huge pain in the !@# sure I can do a lot of damage(although not as much as I seem to do as combat, probably due to play style comfort) but my survival has dropped. I was playing combat and I was absolutely loving it, I just thought assassin would be better, reading on forums and hearing from others that it is the best. Well now that I've played it, and lost over 100 arena rating with it, I am absolutely dreading buying my pvp daggers...SO I bought 1 fist weapon to go back to combat, I'll use one of the daggers until I can get my second fist next week.

I play with a BM hunter, we were pushing 1650(not great but a good start), we dropped to 1530 with me as assassin, we matched up against some bad players and managed to get back up to 1570, although we killed our MR so now we're only getting 7-12 pts per game, before we tanked with assassin getting 15-20 points. Averaging out 10 wins and 3-5 losses per week as combat, as assassin 12wins 14 losses(capping out at 1958 from previous weeks rating, next weeks cap will be lower QQ.)

The burst that combat supplies is Huge, especially vs plate users, I had absolutely dominated DK's as combat, warriors I could stand toe to toe, rets I'd wait till wings dissipate then destroy them. Shadow Blades coupled with Adrenaline Rush was far more devastating than Vendetta and Shadow Blades, had much more finishers, and once thats done a smoke bomb killing spree after they trinket a previous kidney or cheap shot was more than enough to seal the deal most games.

I suggest everyone gives combat a go, unless you're teamed with a Warrior, Mage or DK.
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
9495
I am in the Combat side of the court. Have tried all three and just seem to prefer the fluidity of it.

Let us know what you tried and decided on.
Edited by Whispaire on 11/19/2012 2:25 AM PST
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
9495
Dammit, wait! You're a dirty Alli! Stick with Sub - it's the best for PvP. ;p
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100 Night Elf Rogue
8295
10/02/2012 06:22 AMPosted by Packofcrows
Mut>sub>comb

I beg to differ.

Sub>Mut>Combat
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90 Human Rogue
RSS
2315
I prefer combat for the killing spree with swords because is just messes people up
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90 Undead Rogue
8470
You gotta play Combat it's hilariously fun
Edited by Thugmcgee on 12/10/2012 5:52 PM PST
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