panda dks???

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Can the panda people become dks?
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90 Night Elf Druid
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No.
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85 Human Paladin
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nope. they had no interaction with the scourge or the lich king or the plague etc.
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59 Undead Death Knight
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But Panda's die too, so why wouldn't one that controls all dead know about dead pandas?
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10/09/2012 01:30 PMPosted by Deadbanger
But Panda's die too, so why wouldn't one that controls all dead know about dead pandas?

Because Arthas died long before the mists around Pandaria cleared. It makes absolutely no lore sense for there to be Death Knight Pandaren.
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Because Arthas died long before the mists around Pandaria cleared. It makes absolutely no lore sense for there to be Death Knight Pandaren.


So, the mist over the island prevented pandas from dying?
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10/09/2012 01:30 PMPosted by Deadbanger
But Panda's die too, so why wouldn't one that controls all dead know about dead pandas?


He doesn't control all dead, he only controls humanoids that died because of the plague he took responsibility for, and those who died at the hands of his minions.

Pandaria is on the opposite side of the planet from Northrend and was hidden for 10,000 years from the rest of Azeroth. The plague was confined to Northrend and the northern reaches of the Eastern Kingdom at first, so only Humans, trolls, Blood Elves, gnomes, and Dwarves were originally affected. Members of the other races were afflicted later when they joined the fight against Arthas (before he became the Lich King, but after he turned into a DK himself) and later when they fought him in Northrend after he became the Lich King.

Pandaria was never affected by the plague, and in the lore, Pandaren didn't have any participation in the battles in northern EK or Northrend. The only sign to the rest of Azeroth that Pandaren existed before now was one lost Pandaren in one of the expansions in Warcraft 3. That Pandaren (Chen Stormstout) disappeared after that and was never heard from again until now.
Edited by Avanna on 10/9/2012 1:52 PM PDT
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59 Undead Death Knight
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Touche
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10/09/2012 01:50 PMPosted by Avanna
He doesn't control all dead, he only controls humanoids that died because of the plague he took responsibility for, and those who died at the hands of his minions.

I think the Lich King was capable of retroactively resurrecting corpses that weren't killed by him, the plague, or his minions. For example, he was able to resurrect the frostwyrms in Icecrown (including Sindragosa), and those dragons had died thousands of years prior. Sindragosa in particular was killed, along with a majority of the blue dragonflight, when they tried to attack Deathwing after his creation of the Demon Soul.

Either way, Arthas does not control or have power over every single corpse on the planet. Only those that he comes across and actively uses his power on (or that his necromancers use their power on), or that were affected by the plague.

Thus, Arthas would never have had an opportunity to come across a Pandaren corpse, as none are known to have set foot on land outside of Pandaria. Except for Chen Stormstout, the brave explorer. :3 All Pandaren live on either Pandaria or on the Wandering Isle, and Arthas, along with the rest of the world, was not aware of either location.

Pandaren have only recently become known to the rest of Azeroth, long after Arthas has been defeated. The current Lich King has no desire to resurrect anyone under his control and only serves to keep the remaining undead in line, that they will not sweep across the world in an unchecked frenzy.

This means there are no Pandaren death knights.
Edited by Cerylia on 10/9/2012 2:08 PM PDT
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10/09/2012 02:07 PMPosted by Cerylia
For example, he was able to resurrect the frostwyrms in Icecrown (including Sindragosa), and those dragons had died thousands of years prior.


Yup. But resurrecting those corpses (like you said) had to be done in-person by either the Lich King or his Necromancer minions. He couldn't revive them and take control of their bodies without standing over them.

So since the Lich King nor his minions never set foot in Pandaria to raise Pandaren that died a normal death, and the plague never reached there to enable his remote resurrection capabilities, and Pandaren never set foot on the rest of Azeroth until now (with the only exception being Chen), there's no way for there to be even a single Pandaren DK.
Edited by Avanna on 10/9/2012 2:15 PM PDT
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But what if there was a grain supply crate that was infected with the plague that was lost at sea? Isn't it then conceivable that one of those crates could have drifted to the island and thus done its damage?
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10/09/2012 04:03 PMPosted by Deadbanger
But what if there was a grain supply crate that was infected with the plague that was lost at sea? Isn't it then conceivable that one of those crates could have drifted to the island and thus done its damage?

That's a very big what if. xD But let us suppose such a thing could happen. Even if the plague did come into contact with a few Pandaren, I would imagine other Pandaren would be smart enough to destroy any resulting zombies and either burn them or throw them into the sea.

The small fraction of resulting undead would still not be enough to open up Pandaren as a death knight option. How on earth would they get to the Ebon Hold to experience the death knight starting area? Even if Arthas even bothered to take note of the... what, 10? 20?... zombie Pandaren all the way in Pandaria, I doubt he's going to immediately redirect his troops over there to pick up a small handful of zombie bears. He had more important things to worry about at the time. xD

If there ever was a Pandaren death knight I only imagine it would be ONE very extraordinary individual, probably some unfortunate NPC with an interesting story/questline. Not the thousands that would result from players creating them. xD
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10/09/2012 04:03 PMPosted by Deadbanger
But what if there was a grain supply crate that was infected with the plague that was lost at sea? Isn't it then conceivable that one of those crates could have drifted to the island and thus done its damage?


You're stretching for reasons.

The DKs in the game have a very specific backstory, and were created by Arthas at a certain time & place in the Eastern Plaguelands prior to the main events of Wrath of the Lich King. Pandaria was discovered well after Arthas's death.

The plague you are referring too created undead, but it did not create Death Knights specifically. DKs were created through a special form of magic. If a plague-infested crate somehow wound up on the shores of Pandaria it could conceivably create undead pandaren, but those undead would not be Death Knights. There are lots of undead in the game with no connection to Arthas.

09/30/2012 08:59 PMPosted by Icedragon
No.


Ohai Ice. Good to 'see' you again :-).
Edited by Amandalynn on 10/9/2012 4:27 PM PDT
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Undead Pandas do exist...I know it! They probably hangout with Bigfoot, the Yeti, and the Chupacabra.
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There was a small force of Pandaren, about 300 IIRC, that fought in the Frozen Throne campaign, Arthas would have had access to their bodies to raise as DKs. That number is way too small though to warrant a player class of Pandaren Death Knights.
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10/09/2012 04:14 PMPosted by Cerylia
zombie bears

Now I want one.
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