Attn Frost Mages Re: Elegon

90 Pandaren Mage
One
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Pet Freeze doesnt hit Elegon and consequently you dont proc FoF as much resulting in a massive disadvantage compared to fire. Save yourself the trouble of finding this out the hard way, fire is the better spec for this fight. Was hard pushing 60k as frost, switched to fire and despite it being sluggish and clunky @ such low haste levels, instantly jumped up to 80k.

Hope I helped. :>
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90 Human Mage
10015
It'll cost you about two Ice Lances per minute. 2.4 maximum. Less, when you factor in the spells you spend that time casting. You'll lose low single digits % damage. A real loss to be sure, but I don't think most people would call it massive.

That said, I argued heavily in beta for an alternative mechanic that wouldn't rely on a reticule spell to achieve the same sort of combo with the pet. Perhaps in the future...
Edited by Lhivera on 10/4/2012 7:04 AM PDT
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90 Pandaren Mage
One
13640
Was a big difference for me. Might just be gear though. MIGHT JUST BE SKILL
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91 Blood Elf Mage
11760
Last expansion I played feral to be different and they made a fight disregarding shred positioning for every tier. Am I doomed to suffer the same fate as frost? This brings up the bigger issue of the pet freeze reticule mechanic in general, hopefully it forces there hands.
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90 Draenei Mage
7935
Frozen Orb doesn't seem to be hitting Elegon either. It's rather a bad fight for single target Frost Mages because of those 2 bugs. I was forced to go Fire as a result.
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90 Human Mage
10015
OK, yeah, losing both Freeze and Frozen Orb would be a big deal.

Please document further cases like this here — it may help bolster my case to the devs about changing/supplementing the Freeze mechanic.
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90 Pandaren Mage
One
13640
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-nkv4la93gxsasnbw/spell/113092/?s=13759&e=14096

Frost bomb seems like it hit Elegon for me.
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90 Human Mage
10015
Frost bomb should. Frozen Orb, though, probably has a Z-axis problem.
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90 Pandaren Mage
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oh right misread. tired, late etc

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-nkv4la93gxsasnbw/spell/84721/?s=14617&e=15194

yer frozen orb didnt hit elegon once.
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90 Draenei Mage
7935
The frustrating thing is that BOTH of these bugs were reported repeatedly in the official Beta Elegon Raid feedback threads months ago. It's so upsetting to see that feedback/reports went completely ignored and those bugs went Live.
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90 Troll Mage
9100
Tonight my guild got to Elegon and from the first attempt I was way below the top dps. I was about 6 million damage behind the mark on each attempt. I realized that this was due to Elegon not proc-ing FoF on either my pet nova or frost orb.

Is this working as intended or is this something the team plans to fix in the future?
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90 Human Death Knight
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OK, yeah, losing both Freeze and Frozen Orb would be a big deal.

Please document further cases like this here — it may help bolster my case to the devs about changing/supplementing the Freeze mechanic.


I'm not sure what kind of case you can make when you yourself pointed out that it is barely an issue to begin with. I'm not sayin it isn't particularly an issue, however I don't really see much an alternative that wouldn't make it worse for us in an attempt to make it better.

The Frozen Orb problem most definitely does need to be fixed though.
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90 Human Mage
10015
There are plenty of reasons besides encounters like this to change (or supplement) Freeze, all of which essentially boil down to "using a reticule-targeted AOE control spell in a single-target DPS rotation is dumb." This is just another weight to put on the scale.
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90 Troll Mage
9100
What's wrong with reticule-targeted AOE? It's great, it also adds an element of skill. Keeping your rotation going while adding in an accurate pet nova. That isn't the issue. The problem is the bug where the boss does not get hit by frozen orb or pet nova.
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90 Orc Mage
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10/05/2012 03:25 PMPosted by Gravitation
What's wrong with reticule-targeted AOE?


Casting an aoe root for single target dps is weird.
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90 Troll Mage
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10/05/2012 04:09 PMPosted by Zugman
What's wrong with reticule-targeted AOE?


Casting an aoe root for single target dps is weird.


Doesn't seem weird at all. When there are multiple mobs it hits multiple targets and you get more than one FoF.
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100 Troll Mage
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I just killed him tonight, and pet freeze and frozen orb were hitting Elegon
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90 Human Mage
10015
It's a crazy Rube Goldbergesque way to do single-target DPS. You're using an area effect control spell cast by your pet against a single target that you know cannot be frozen in order to generate an effect on the Mage.

That's just dumb. It has nothing to do with whether it's skillful, and nothing to do with whether it's sometimes useful when you do want to hit multiple targets or when you want to freeze one or more targets. The spell is excellent when you actually want to use it for those purposes. As a single-target rotational ability? Just absurd.

An alternative pet combo that's actually designed as a single-target process and makes you feel like you're working together with your pet to do something that makes sense -- requiring similar skill to pull off, probably sharing a cooldown with Freeze -- would be a great addition. The fact that it would also solve this problem with hitting some targets is another good reason to do it.
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90 Troll Mage
9100
Can anyone else confirm that elegon has been fixed?
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90 Pandaren Mage
One
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10/05/2012 08:10 PMPosted by Hölland
I just killed him tonight, and pet freeze and frozen orb were hitting Elegon
link logs as proof please m8
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