I got perma benched as a priest :<

90 Blood Elf Priest
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Holy seems fine to me. Keep up with our other healers without a problem, though I offer to go Shadow when we need to 2 heals simply because I think I have the strongest OS and we never wipe to fights due to lack of healer throughput.

If HPS is the sole indicator of whether or not your GM brings a healing spec, he bad.
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10 Undead Priest
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GM is doing you a favor. When the tuning patch comes through you can laugh in his face. Find a group that's fun to play with and not one that benches a 5 year vet 2 days into the new raid season.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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It's always hard to get broken up with, but trust me you're better off - there are plenty of guilds and plenty of servers, that GM was crazy anyways.

Oh and if the guild ever asks for you back just tell them that "We Are Never Ever (Evar, Evar, Evar) Getting Back Together. =P
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90 Human Priest
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I feel like a broken record and have nothing to add, but i do support a change for Disc and Holy. People will always migrate to the fotm type class as everyone likes the feeling of success.
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10 Undead Priest
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10/04/2012 10:33 AMPosted by Shiields
Considering that they will progress to HM its better to bench right now and work in the new class rather than hit HM and deal with progression lag due to said class.


Again, raiding started 2 days ago. Have people lost all perspective? How is dumping a 5 year vet, whose class will get tuned in the 1st patch, 2 days into the raiding season, a good long term decision?

I find the hubris, whimsy and the stunning lack of wisdom and insight of people revolting. Putting progress before people is a cold stance, but this will hurt progress in the long term. This is both mean and dumb, a terrible but all too common combination.
Edited by Lepus on 10/4/2012 8:25 PM PDT
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90 Human Priest
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Cleared the raid as a Priest..problem is with you and the guild, not the class. There is no problem big enough with the class to warrant a bench, probably even on cutting edge considering the utility Discipline brings.
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79 Pandaren Monk
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10/04/2012 07:52 PMPosted by Lepus
GM is doing you a favor. When the tuning patch comes through you can laugh in his face. Find a group that's fun to play with and not one that benches a 5 year vet 2 days into the new raid season.


This. Move-on, and I am sure in no time you will have wished you did it sooner.
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80 Tauren Death Knight
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10/04/2012 08:35 PMPosted by Radial
Cleared the raid as a Priest..problem is with you and the guild, not the class. There is no problem big enough with the class to warrant a bench, probably even on cutting edge considering the utility Discipline brings.


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794640070
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794350157
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794829845
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794479729
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794710137

All of these disagree with you, As well as thousands of priests being benched and or complaining, + numbers and logs from both beta and current.

Disc has become the new feral druid, Only differance is we don't get rewarded for pulling it off.
Edited by Dethsport on 10/4/2012 9:53 PM PDT
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90 Goblin Priest
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10/04/2012 08:29 AMPosted by Glaius
void shift guardian spirit and life grip are instant life savers (mist weavers do not have life saving abilities to bring to a raid) and guilds that undermind this is foolish imo.


Like you said, "narrowminded". Many players don't care about that vital utility only the better players take into account. Most people just want to see big damage numbers, big healing numbers, and big tank health and they use that to determine what classes are good and what ones are not.
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90 Human Priest
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10/04/2012 09:46 PMPosted by Dethsport
Cleared the raid as a Priest..problem is with you and the guild, not the class. There is no problem big enough with the class to warrant a bench, probably even on cutting edge considering the utility Discipline brings.


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794640070
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794350157
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794829845
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794479729
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794710137

All of these disagree with you, As well as thousands of priests being benched and or complaining, + numbers and logs from both beta and current.

Disc has become the new feral druid, Only differance is we don't get rewarded for pulling it off.


What is this, a bunch of threads written by bads complaining? What an effective argument. Considering how fast my guild was able to clear the normals this week with a Priest healer I fail to see how the class is benchworthy. Some problems? Sure, but skill and available utility overtakes that.
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80 Tauren Death Knight
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10/04/2012 10:02 PMPosted by Radial


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794640070
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794350157
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794829845
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794479729
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794710137

All of these disagree with you, As well as thousands of priests being benched and or complaining, + numbers and logs from both beta and current.

Disc has become the new feral druid, Only differance is we don't get rewarded for pulling it off.


What is this, a bunch of threads written by bads complaining? What an effective argument. Considering how fast my guild was able to clear the normals this week with a Priest healer I fail to see how the class is benchworthy. Some problems? Sure, but skill and available utility overtakes that.


so 99% of the priest community are bads and you happen to be the only good priest around, why thats HEALARIOUS
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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Literally 99%
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90 Human Priest
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What is this, a bunch of threads written by bads complaining? What an effective argument. Considering how fast my guild was able to clear the normals this week with a Priest healer I fail to see how the class is benchworthy. Some problems? Sure, but skill and available utility overtakes that.


so 99% of the priest community are bads and you happen to be the only good priest around, why thats HEALARIOUS


No, there are plenty of other Priests who don't have Sky Is Falling Syndrome. Any thread created to complain about 'broken' Priests that uses one week of normal mode WoL healing rankings wasn't made by anyone who really thought about what they were doing, though.

Also,

10/04/2012 10:13 PMPosted by Nixx
Literally 99%
Edited by Radial on 10/4/2012 10:14 PM PDT
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80 Tauren Death Knight
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so 99% of the priest community are bads and you happen to be the only good priest around, why thats HEALARIOUS


No, there are plenty of other Priests who don't have Sky Is Falling Syndrome. Any thread created to complain about 'broken' Priests that uses one week of normal mode WoL healing rankings wasn't made by anyone who really thought about what they were doing, though.

Also,

10/04/2012 10:13 PMPosted by Nixx
Literally 99%


Except it was this way for all of BETA, and if the beta forums were still up i'd pull hundreds of threads from those, Complaining about how much we are lacking against other classes, did ya ever think of why you didn't struggle to match the healers in your raid team?
Edited by Dethsport on 10/4/2012 10:17 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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The class is very well capable of not only clearing the content but bringing a lot of utility. This goes for both specs. Is the class's throughput completely equal to the capability of others like monks? No. Is both Holy and Discipline so bad that a raid group is justified in benching one? Hell no.

If you were benched for the current normal progression I can guarantee the problem is not in the class.
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90 Human Priest
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10/04/2012 10:16 PMPosted by Dethsport
Except it was this way for all of BETA, and if the beta forums were still up i'd pull hundreds of threads from those, Complaining about how much we are lacking against other classes, did ya ever think of why you didn't struggle to match the healers in your raid team?


You mean you could link me MORE threads of people complaining?! WOW! You must be right, Priests are clearly so bad they need to be benched in normals.

I'm not sure how to answer your question. Typically during a wipe, the question the healers will ask eachother is 'was this wipe due to healing? Y/N' If yes, then you investigate further and refer to logs. Considering this expansion we haven't had a wipe like that, there were never questions about numbers. Or are you asking about numbers in relation to other healers? If so they were nothing different than they were in 4.2 and 4.3 really. Priests weren't exactly top dog during the patches but we were still not getting benched.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
12435
10/04/2012 10:16 PMPosted by Dethsport
Complaining about how much we are lacking against other classes, did ya ever think of why you didn't struggle to match the healers in your raid team?


That's cute, you think a 6/6 guild doesn't have a full team of competent healers.
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80 Tauren Death Knight
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10/04/2012 10:25 PMPosted by Nixx
Complaining about how much we are lacking against other classes, did ya ever think of why you didn't struggle to match the healers in your raid team?


That's cute, you think a 6/6 guild doesn't have a full team of competent healers.


I've seen bads carried to Saviour and death's demise, It's cute you think that doesn't happen.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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Im in 25 man, fortunately, I haven't been completely benched yet (except for elegon where we took only 4 healers for the fight). My guild would be 100% justified in doing so when we get to heroics next week though. Right now, Disc is to everyone else, that is shammys, pallys, and druids, what they all are to monks. I'm struggling just to keep up with the prot pally some fights. Holy isn't much better, it's easier maybe, but in a lot of ways it's actually worse.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
12435
I've seen bads carried to Saviour and death's demise, It's cute you think that doesn't happen.


Well seeing as only about 100 guilds in the world have cleared 6/6 and I believe Reprisal is a 10m guild (the size that's generally much harder to carry a single person in)...

But I mean, that's just me drawing conclusions from facts. I realize a lot of people aren't a fan of that.
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