Cross Realm Zones are failing (long)

90 Pandaren Monk
12820
If the goal of Cross Realm Zones is to bring players together, it is failing.

I want to be clear that cross realm zones as a new game feature are just not working for me as a player. I won't try to speak for anyone (other than my wife who has explicitly said I should post about our experience on the forums) as I do not possess that authority. I can only say that while leveling a pair of panda monks with my wife that the issues have been significant enough that I'm very upset and my wife is contemplating quitting WoW, all together. This is a woman who's played since vanilla with two realm firsts, got the Insane title when it was TRULY an INSANE feat, is an avid pet and mount collector and someone who is known on our server as a resource for all things holiday. And yet, in less than two weeks, her experience has been SO BAD that she's ready to abandon all of that work and walk away.

So, why do I say that Cross Realm Zones aren't working for me (and her)?

Firstly, even several weeks in, it feels like the first fews days of the Xpac while leveling. That's bad like going for a colonoscopy or root canal bad.

Why is it bad? Plainly speaking, the level of self-interest is staggering. Even giving space for the very slow render time of mobs, players and items in CRZs which can lead a person to go for a node without realizing they're poaching, the incidents of pure, unadulterated, selfishness with respect to nodes, herbs, quest mobs, and quest items has been just overwhelming. And that's just based on what I've witnessed. Not in the continuous six years I've played have I ever experienced behavior this bad. (Well, maybe TBC launch… HFP was extraordinarily bad those first two days) Moreover, as one levels one cannot focus on learning the intricacies of the class and spec because so much focus is spent on mob tagging and being first to the next quest item. As conscientious levelers, we've both been frustrated as we knew we weren't learning what we needed to be learning because of all the questing nonsense. Usually it evens out after the impatient ones burn their way to max level. The problem is that with CRZs, even in lower level zones, the experience of having to wade through that behavior rather than be able to quest, become immersed in the lore and enjoy discovering what I find a fascinating class and spec has turned leveling into a chore.

More accurately, it's turned leveling into a frustrating chore.

At least when folks are all on a server and someone behaves badly, there can be consequences. They might be in a guild and repeated bad behaviors can become a guild matter. Or the person might obtain a reputation and have difficulties getting invites to PuGs or have difficulties selling items in trade or on the AH.

This has brought all the problems of the LFR…home.

Secondly, it's made playing as a group tremendously difficult. One of the biggest problems has been inconsistent phasing. My wife's toon will literally phase in and out right next to me in the middle of a zone. Sometimes in combat. She sits right next to me as we play and yet, she sometimes has to look at my computer in order to see where I am because we're out of phase in the same zone, on the same quest. It's worse in combat when she's trying to heal me and she can't target me until I move and I come back into her phase. It didn't seem to be area based because after killing the mobs, I'd test the area.

Thirdly, we've both had a ton of problems with our inability to tag mobs. As in, we cannot even click them. My wife nearly died laughing when I sat there for about 10 minutes swearing up a storm in Mt. Hyjal trying to save 10 critters only to realize far too late that I was trying to save an "unclickable" mob. Funny for her that one time. However, when we have to log out of our toons at least a dozen times per play session due to this issue, it becomes unfun really quickly. It's especially problematic for me if a mob aggros on us and I can't click on it to hit it. Thankfully, I realized that Keg Smash will simply work if ANY mob is in range and then auto target. Won't help other classes though. Which leads me to the next issue.

Fourthly, it's really frustrating when these issues cause an inability to loot mobs. Even if I can use Keg Smash to engage a mob, an unclickable mob will not allow me to loot it. Period. I can use target of target to do things like drain the scorpion in Uldum or perform some other function on the corpse. But I still can't loot. I'd go free for all except for the next issue.

Fifthly, far too many quests have not been updated for groups such that groups have to grind exponentially more mobs. This is an issue because the respawn timers aren't always seemingly cognizant of how many toons are in a zone at any particular time. That, of course, leads to the less than generous kinds of behaviors that make the game really not fun. It is especially problematic for end of quest line mobs. Some of those mobs are seemingly on regular mob timers, so it's not unusual to see a crowd around the mob spawn point and then to have everyone break out in a tagging frenzy. We counted toons from SEVEN different servers camping the Ogre in Deepholm on the Alliance Airship. Group invites are denied. In the past two weeks, I think only twice has an invite been accepted to allow for mob sharing and both times it was from people who expressed relief because they were tired of having to fight to tag mobs.

Sixthly, again and again we've seen significant phasing issues with respect to quest items. It was less of an issue before we could mount or even before we could fly. However, once we could fly, no matter how low we flew, quest items regularly wouldn't phase properly. We've gotten into the habit of doing a "fly and wait" in order to allow the render of quest items, players from other servers, etc to happen. Let me just say that in a cooperative environment, this might be less of an issue. However, when the WoW community for the most part pretty much takes a "me first" attitude to questing, losing lots of time to out of phase quest items is frustrating.

Seventhly, my wife the avid pet and mount collector was VERY upset when doing her JC quest in Storm Peaks to find people from 4 different servers (that we saw) clearly hunting the TLPD. It was already hard enough to farm such a rare beast or any rare. Now we have to hunt rares across our entire data center? I mean, we've seen people from all 3 battle groups (Nightfall, Retaliation and Stormstrike) that are housed in the New York data center that also domiciles our server. That's a MASSIVE game change that every hunter and mount collector in the game should know about. That also opens up a host of issues related to the Cross Realm Zones relating to rares that we just haven't gotten answers to. What server are we actually on? When was the last spawn time of the rare we are hunting *on that server*? When CRZs are implemented, are the rare timers reset? If not, how can players determine when rares will spawn? For those zones taken out of play, are their timers reset? With this CRZ implementation we went from being able to have a plan to not being able to have a plan. Hunting for rares now is pure camping. We can't look at timers and use our time wisely. We can't be diligent. Again, Cross Realm Zones has turned something fun into an exercise in frustration.

Lastly, in order to quest together, we've tried to take advantage of my wife's 2 person mount. Tried. The problem is that it would have been helpful if not for getting dismounted from 2 person mounts when changing zones. So, instead of being able to have the wife take us to the next quest hub, we're stuck waiting until I'm back at my computer.

All of these things have turned the leveling process into a frustrating chore. Now at level 84 (I'm old, but not quite that old), I can't say that I've reveled in playing a Monk or specifically a Brewmaster. I can't say that I've enjoyed revisiting old content or even seeing some of the quests redone for Cata that I'd missed last Xpac. I can't say that because these 84 levels have been my wife and I trying to find enjoyment in spite of the game rather than because of it.

We're not young people. We don't jump to these conclusions capriciously. But we've seen enough to draw these conclusions:

Cross Realm Zones don't work for us. However they're intended, they don't work. My wife and I were using this launch to spend some time together as we approach our 23rd anniversary. Had I understood how much CRZ would change the fundamental leveling experience, I think I would have picked a different activity. We started this game in 2006 leveling two toons from scratch to max level. Vanilla leveling was tedious, but fun. With MoP, we wanted to revisit that somewhat. What we found is that we no longer have a server. We play on a data center. Even in Stormwind or in Orgrimmar, there is no respite from the CRZ. We were told that the CRZ was ONLY for Low Population zones. Well, even when SW is full to the gills and most certainly NOT a low population zone, it's still chock full of folks from multiple realms.

If the goal of Cross Realm Zones was to bring players together, it is failing. I do NOT want to play on a data center with millions of people who will have no accountability for their actions. I want to play on a server which is a community of sorts. Each server is different. There are most certainly ways to improve the quality of play, more efficiently allocate server resources and foster player interaction without federalizing the game.

If all that matters is this new tech and the enjoyment of players going forward is allowed to be collateral damage, then I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears.
93 Human Priest
6295
CRZ sucks balls. Only thing it's good for is ganking lowbies. It makes leveling on a pvp server even worse. It gets boring running dungeons from 15-x all the time.

Before I'd get ganked every now and then, but with this junk it's pointless to try to quest.

It was fine before, put it back. It makes gathering nodes even worse now. Great way to destroy something blizz.

Try thinking next time.

You basically ruined the leveling experience for any new players also.
Edited by Andoea on 10/7/2012 9:41 AM PDT
100 Pandaren Monk
9190
I would like to honestly know where the people from Normal and RP realms posted their dissatisfaction with world population. I never once saw anyone complain about not seeing other people while questing. Blizzard's official stance is that the only purpose of CRZ is to make the world appear to have more people. I believe Blizzard should have only implemented CRZs on PvP realms and then given people on PvP realms a free transfer off to a Normal realm if they didn't like the feature.
90 Draenei Death Knight
12740
I don't have a problem with it at 85+. Get rid of it for anything lower than 85. At that level it is simply about griefing lowbies and nothing else. Darn you Alliance Paladin that kept ganking my Monk in Tanaris. You ate up a lot of my 50% xp buff!
90 Troll Druid
7385
I likw this post, but Blizzard doesn't care and is comitted to this "feature" because it saves them money on server upkeep, even if its detrimental to the customers enjoyment of the game.

The only people who really stand to gain anything are world PVPers and Open Roleplayers (people who roleplay with anyone they see). These people are very much in the minority of the playerbase. Most people aren't interested in a bunch of warm bodies taking their share of resources that they will never see or interact with ever again.
Edited by Rockpops on 10/7/2012 9:52 AM PDT
Crz isnt ticking people off anymore, but it doesnt actually fix anything either.

In other words still a fail.
82 Draenei Mage
1185
I was flying from Sholazar Basin and crossed into Borean Tundra while working to level mining and as soon as I crossed the boarder I was unseat from my mount and fell to a spectacular splat of a death.

My wife and I play together. We still get kicked out/off of our 2-seater mounts crossing the boarders.

Our computers are nearly identical, yet mine lags so bad now that the game is unplayable. I just had it serviced 4 months ago and it was running fine before the CRZ patch. ALL add-ons have been deleted, not just turned off but deleted.

If you do happen to meet someone out in a zone that isn't a complete jerk-wad and want to add them to your friend list you can't. You can't report the jerks either without writing a ticket that gets a response a week later telling you to use the easy reporting tool by clicking on the offending players name. Blizzard, THIS TOOL DOESN'T WORK FOR CRZ'S!!!!!!

All in all, CRZ's have been a bad experience and I'm not sure how much longer I will continue to play. My sub is up on the 25th. I haven't gotten MoP yet so will have to wait and see.
24 Blood Elf Mage
0
I LIKE IT! KEEP THE MASSIVE IN MMO'S BLIZ!
10/07/2012 09:51 AMPosted by Pucifer
We're not young people. We don't jump to these conclusions capriciously. But we've seen enough to draw these conclusions:


Still your HUGE rant is just OPINION.

You can claim whatever you wish. But that doesn't make it fact. Blizzard is the ones holding all the cards when it comes to FACTS.

Personally the competition SHOULD BE THERE. I am sorry if you dislike it. But YOUR OPINION doesn't speak for EVERYONE.

So perhaps you should stop acting as though it does.


He clearly said in the op that he spoke for him and his wife . but as usual you don't like his opinion so you make him out to be something else or out of context quote to downgrade it. well he speaks for me and my son as well since haveing my 2 person mount toss my son off at borders to these cross realm zones and haveing to dive down to bail his toon out of the mob it just parachuted into middle of is not why i have the damn mount. Trying to get my daughter to stop calling her old man a lifeless nerd and have a try at the game with this kinda crap makeing helping her level hard etc ect add infinitem.
90 Blood Elf Hunter
6805
I would also like to add what I have noticed (or reinforce it if it has already been said) that the amount of quest and game glitches arise with CRZ. Several times, I have had to abandon and restart a quest because it glitched out while in a CRZ. Glitches like animation glitches, clicking on portals, looting, etc. have become normal occurrences in CRZ as well. Also, I noticed my frame rate has dropped from a normal 30-40 to 20 or less depending on how many people are in the zone.
90 Pandaren Monk
11725
As much as a good idea on paper it sounds; and I was all for it originally, actually having experienced it with the weird phasing, mobs and players appearing and disappearing outa nowhere it just seems like one big beta test we are getting pushed on us.

It needs Tons of additional testing or an ability for us to lock ourselves to our own realm and not be put into crz zones. It's really frustrating seeing a rare spawn or mine then landing and it evaporating infront of your eyes, then re-appearing as you fly away.

Also the dismounting; yes, my wife and I had to take sprit Rezes after we were dropped off our mount into the abyss in outlands; not very fun when we both have ms/os/pvp gear in our bags
90 Pandaren Monk
11725
HEY REMEMBER BACK IN EQ WHEN QUESTING REQUIRED READING AND ENOURMOUS TIME SPENT RESURCHING TO TO JUST TALK TO THE QUEST GIVER!

REMEMBER HOW RAID BOSSES WHERE NOT INSTANCED AND YOU HAD TO FIGHT FOR THEIR SPAWN TIMES

YOU ARE ALL SO SPOILED


HAY REMEMBER WHEN MUDS WERE ALL TEXT AND BEFORE THAT WHEN YOU JUST PLAYED DND?! THINGS SHOULD NEVER CHANGE HUH!
100 Gnome Mage
21190
I loathe CRZ.

If I wanted a crowded server, I'd be on a crowded server.
90 Pandaren Monk
11725
10/07/2012 10:14 AMPosted by Kumahogoh
Blizzard is not going to remove CRZ...Get over it already


Maybe not remove it but allow opt out or cut back it's use until they can get it right. Go try and farm some mines or something like glow cap in zangermarsh. I didn't see the big deal until I did exactly that. After you see it's shortcomings they start standing out like a sore thumb.
85 Human Paladin
8695
10/07/2012 09:44 AMPosted by Mcpallynator
tl:dr


*Points the door to leave forums*
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