The deal is this:
*Hands Shaithiss the brochure detailing the twelve-step program*
I'll be back next month to monitor your progress.
Alright guys in a month we need to hide the crystals!
I didn't say -when- next month.
In a bizarre alternate universe where Blizzard allows the Alliance to be triumphant in Orgrimmar, that wouldn't even be the end of the war. The war cannot end as long as the Forsaken are in Gilneas and Sylvanas lives.
This Warchief business, one person being in charge of the whole enchilada? That's probably got to end.
10/09/2012 08:24 AMPosted by KyalinThe Night Elves sort of overthrew that government ten-thousand years ago. It's hard to keep up with the news, I know, but it did happen. There's a new government now, and they are and have always been firmly against fel magic.
10/09/2012 09:12 AMPosted by MordstreichThat's why a lot of posters, myself included, are suggesting/speculating a senate that holds the real power while the Warchief is relegated to simply being the Orcish cultural leader or simply a figurehead - something for the Horde to rally around.
10/09/2012 09:00 AMPosted by ZizzIn a bizarre alternate universe where Blizzard allows the Alliance to be triumphant in Orgrimmar, that wouldn't even be the end of the war. The war cannot end as long as the Forsaken are in Gilneas and Sylvanas lives.
Oh? So... Gilneas joined the Alliance again before the Forsaken invaded? I thought the Night Elves and Alliance for that matter used it as a chance of opportunity.
No, Gilneas really wasn't Alliance land. In fact, Gilneas was Gilneas land. The Gilnean's lost it before they even joined the Alliance, which makes me kinda laugh that the Alliance use it as a reason to further the advance on the Forsaken. "YEAH! WE WANT GILNEAS BACK.... Until we get something better, then it can sit for all we care."
10/09/2012 09:00 AMPosted by ZizzHonestly, acting as if Sylvanas is the problem is kinda false there. The real problem is that her people are dying, it's been said that Forsaken will need new parts. They're a doomed race. Welcome to the cruel, sad truth of the Forsaken. It's literally survival of the fittest for them. But, on the other side of the hand, I completely understand what you're saying because it's really a perspective from factions.
The worgen, as members of the Alliance, would like their homeland back, thank you very much.
10/09/2012 10:37 AMPosted by TelonisThere has been some speculation about whether Forsaken "reproduction" needs to involve murder. As organizations like the Cult of the Damned and individual stories like the old Scholo Ras Frostwhisper quest line showed us, there are some humans that are so scared of death that they would accpet undeath instead.
10/09/2012 10:30 AMPosted by BullcowsbyI'm not really sure whether to counter by pointing out that "involves" does not mean "requires" or by pointing out that instances in which murder has been used to increase the Forsaken numbers is few and far between.
As much as I'd love for the Alliance to place the Horde's new leader, that would make too many Horde fans angry (God knows we can't let Horde players be displeased) so we have to come up with a compromise.
Battlefield raising. This is shown in the Silverpine questing. The Forsaken raise numerous people they just killed to bolster the Forsaken ranks.
10/09/2012 03:32 PMPosted by KorallDeath in war isn't murder. If it was then every single race is full of mass-murdering serial killers. Now, there is probably an argument for a morale quandry regarding the ethics behind raising a new Forsaken immediately following the death of enemy combatants, of which you are probably right, but the moment that human life expires the Forsaken view them as a potential recruit. Tasteless? Sure, absolutely. But practical.
10/09/2012 03:32 PMPosted by KorallThis annoyed me far more than it should have. Why would you 'love' for it to happen when you have made it abundantly clear you do not play nor care for the Horde? Do you want it to happen so you have something to lord over the Horde players? Is it an ego thing?
It still involves the death of the Alliance human soldier. That's still technically murder. ALL soldiers are murderers. It's just sanctioned when it's done on a battlefield in the attack/defense of a place/person/nation. That doesn't excuse what the Forsaken are doing to the dead though. They went from hating being undead, to being the Scourge-lite.
It seems to be an ego thing for many Horde players. They get to kick Alliance rear, stomp all over the world, killing, murdering and destroying as much as they can, and the Alliance and Alliance players are told to suck it up and deal with it. By those Horde players. And worse yet, in game we can't even defend the Alliance because Blizzard isn't letting the Alliance DO defense or be effective. All the while, a lot of Horde players (I'm not meaning some here, there are a fair number of Horde players here that are decent and clearly do not like the one sided stomp fest the Horde has had in Cata and MoP) are talking down the Alliance, telling us players we suck and should just !@#$ and take the hits they give us.
It gets frustrating and more than a little aggravating. Especially when we know the Horde isn't going to pay for it's actions except to have Garrosh removed. We want realistic payback and Blizzard isn't going to let us players have it because 'the Horde is needed'.
The same new Night Elf government who just took in the very Highborne closest to Azshara and responsible for summoning Sargeras? The ones who not a few years ago were actively draining demons to keep themselves immortal?
The government may very well be anti-demon, but few peoples have dabbled in fel magics more than the Night Elves even to this day.
Dabbling in fel magic is a pretty bad reason to ban an entire race from being allowed to govern itself.
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