Paladins & Symbiosis

100 Blood Elf Paladin
11250
Most recent hotfix

Symbiosis has been changed and now grants the following abilities
Protection paladins - Wrath

Woohoo! We get a cast-time ability again! Or do we get a slightly better version that's insta-cast?

Really Blizz? Wrath? Why not something that'd actually be useful like damage mitigation or healing?

I like the idea of Symbiosis, cast it on a party member & you each get a spell from the other's spellbook. Its just, some of the results make me scratch my head.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11915
Hehe, possibly a result of a Wrath-based rotation being potentially better for Ret than its normal one.

Edit: or perhaps not, if Ret still has Wrath, too. That's just lame, giving two different roles of a class the same ability.
Edited by Elidra on 10/2/2012 6:55 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
9790
Atleast wrath is usable in pvp, holy gets battle rez? what a joke
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
9495
Lol?

Wasn't it Barkskin before? That was awesome.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
11250
Barkskin would've been nice 'cuz at least it helps keep us alive.
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100 Human Paladin
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Blizzard are such trolls. Can you click off the symbiosis buff if someone puts it on you? I'd rather not have an extra button on my screen with some crap I'll never use.
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90 Human Paladin
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Did you look at the symbiosis version of barkskin? 10% damage reduction, 6 seconds every minute.

Its probably better to have a crappy one anyways. You really don't want another Dark Intent or Tricks, where you'll do worse than someone else because they gave it to someone else.

EDIT: Also, they removed all tanking symbiosis cooldowns. I get the feeling its related to druids being pressured to symbiosis tanks for raid progression?
Edited by Kamine on 10/2/2012 8:19 PM PDT
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100 Human Paladin
13775
Did you look at the symbiosis version of barkskin? 10% damage reduction, 6 seconds every minute.

Its probably better to have a crappy one anyways. You really don't want another Dark Intent or Tricks, where you'll do worse than someone else because they gave it to someone else.


No I'd rather just have nothing cluttering up my UI than to have something I won't use. I'd rather have a hand full of nothing than a hand full of crap.
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90 Human Paladin
16755
I told my druids to use that !@#$ on someone else, completely friggin worthless.
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All I got to say is... L O L. There, I said it.
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90 Human Paladin
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When I saw Wrath for ret I /facepalm'd
When I saw Wrath for prot I /smashheadintodesk'd
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
7570
to be honest.... i pull 50k dps spamming wrath/harsh/hammer/judge/exo..... get at me
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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DAMN IT I WANTED TRAVEL OR AQUATIC FORM!!!
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100 Human Paladin
13775
10/03/2012 02:11 AMPosted by Celyndrashad
DAMN IT I WANTED TRAVEL OR AQUATIC FORM!!!


I want prowl. Then I can be a ninja tank!
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90 Human Paladin
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My head hurts just from trying to figure out Blizzard's reasoning for this.
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100 Draenei Paladin
20190
10/02/2012 08:16 PMPosted by Bravehearth
No I'd rather just have nothing cluttering up my UI than to have something I won't use. I'd rather have a hand full of nothing than a hand full of crap.


To be fair, you have to fish the button out of your spellbook to have it on your bars. What the hell is Blizz thinking, giving a tank a cast time spell?
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
18070
Looks like it's just part of the process of removing the mitigation CDs from all the tanks.

That said, giving a tank a cast time spell is just daft. I'd already noticed it and reported it as a bug. So we just happen to be the tanks who get a particularly useless ability now.

Although I have enjoyed pulling with it, mainly because it's so ridiculous it's darkly amusing.

More than anything else, I'm just kinda disappointed that symbiosis is gradually turning into the ultra-situational lack-luster talent that anything that broad ranging was bound to end up as. Poor druids.
Edited by Lakhesís on 10/3/2012 3:57 AM PDT
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100 Human Paladin
13775
10/03/2012 03:52 AMPosted by Snozberries
To be fair, you have to fish the button out of your spellbook to have it on your bars. What the hell is Blizz thinking, giving a tank a cast time spell?


Oh ok that's not so bad then, I thought it would popup as some sort of extra button. Actually, I know better than that. I make an action bar addon. Not sure why I thought it would use the ExtraActionBarButton1. That would cause all sorts of issues with dungeons and such that use it.
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100 Draenei Paladin
20190
10/03/2012 04:27 AMPosted by Bravehearth
Oh ok that's not so bad then, I thought it would popup as some sort of extra button. Actually, I know better than that. I make an action bar addon. Not sure why I thought it would use the ExtraActionBarButton1. That would cause all sorts of issues with dungeons and such that use it.


Druids seem really prone to cast it on me in dungeons. I don't know if the spells they get are just that good, or if they're just trolling.

I've tried using the spell as ret when I have to run out of melee, but the cast time is pretty restrictive for situational use. Maybe with more haste. However that kind of spell is utterly useless for prot, seeing as the spec already has a ton of tools to pull from range.
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90 Tauren Paladin
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I don't understand what purpose giving wrath to tanks serves. Blizzard can you reconsider this one and give us something that we can actually make use of in an encounter that isn't Atramedes?

I don't find myself off tanking enough in MSV without having to tank anything to actually use wrath, plus I'd rather one of our other raiders got Symbiosis because it's just infinitely better for them right now.
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