Wasn't MoP supposed to be about the War?

1 Blood Elf Rogue
0
Why am I babysitting Anduin Wrynn on my horde character?

I'm engaged in a brutal war with the Alliance, and I'm taking the de facto leader of the Alliance's son out on a damned FIELD TRIP into the jungle. Not only that, but I'm just letting him go do whatever afterwards.

What the hell Blizzard.

Oh, and then after I finish up with that, I go back to farming rep with neutral factions and fighting neutral enemies and acting as though the alliance doesn't even exist right now.
Reply Quote
85 Tauren Shaman
6230
patch 5.1 is when the war starts
Reply Quote
90 Orc Warrior
11065
10/05/2012 05:42 PMPosted by Aureus
Oh, and then after I finish up with that, I go back to farming rep with neutral factions and fighting neutral enemies and acting as though the alliance doesn't even exist right now.


like they said it would be like

short reprieve then back to war

meanwhile im probably one of the few people who will enjoy the expansion less as time goes on
Reply Quote
1 Blood Elf Rogue
0
10/05/2012 05:48 PMPosted by Skytotem
patch 5.1 is when the war starts


Still doesn't explain why I'm babysitting the Prince of Stormwind without the idea of doing anything with him even being suggested.
Reply Quote
90 Human Monk
2365
10/05/2012 06:07 PMPosted by Aureus
patch 5.1 is when the war starts


Still doesn't explain why I'm babysitting the Prince of Stormwind without the idea of doing anything with him even being suggested.


It's part of an over-all story.

The idea is supposed to be that MoP box product is just Pandaria--the quests, the reps, etc.

And the war story happens through content patches.
Reply Quote
90 Human Mage
16055
10/05/2012 06:07 PMPosted by Aureus
patch 5.1 is when the war starts


Still doesn't explain why I'm babysitting the Prince of Stormwind without the idea of doing anything with him even being suggested.


He has already proven that he has no qualms about using mind control on his bodyguards.

He's probably mind-controlling you too.
Reply Quote
90 Night Elf Warrior
6655
MOP is about the threads behind the war, not just about WAR!!!!. This expansion was made for people, not ogres.

Story wise, we're playing as scouts, sent in to see this crazy new world to poke around and set up a fort, like John Smith in Jamestown.

After we set up shop and level to 90 and get things rolling, a massive army from each faction is on it's way to set up port and descend upon Pandaria to pluck it like the fruit that it is, terrible land killing consequences be damned.

I imagine some players are going to feel bad about coming here and helping these armies destroy this ancient land after they made some friends with the locals early on.
Edited by Elrith on 10/5/2012 10:57 PM PDT
Reply Quote
1 Blood Elf Rogue
0
10/05/2012 07:40 PMPosted by Draile
It's part of an over-all story.

I realize that.

I just don't see how sending the prince of Stormwind into the forests of Pandaria with only a champion of the Horde to accompany him fits into that overarching story at all.

MOP is about the threads behind the war, not just about WAR!!!!. This expansion was made for people, not ogres..


I realize that too. I've just noticed that after about halfway through the Jade Forest the faction tensions simply disappear entirely.
Reply Quote
90 Undead Death Knight
Req
14345
10/05/2012 05:49 PMPosted by Shippyship
meanwhile im probably one of the few people who will enjoy the expansion less as time goes on
You serious? I've hated the expansion ever since they announced it as the newest expansion, I even have a hate thread created for it within a few moments after they announced it for the first time at blizzcon. So no you are not the only one here, and likely you are with the other huge groups of people who hated it as much as I did. Hell, I even disliked the fact about MoP that the Pandaren were not a part of the bestiary. That was one of the things that pissed me off most. Training for months for some panda slaughtering and then I learn that I'm working alongside them?

Also what the other people here said, we come here to find the available products on Pandaria, solve a lot of external problems, explore the continent, befriend the Pandaren and their allies and have them gain our trust, and then we go to war. The nice thing about this tactic is that they're less likely to be killed by an external threat or interrupted like they were during that Jade Forest encounter.
Reply Quote
90 Human Warrior
13500
There will be plenty of Alliance-killing and Horde-sympathizing in the next patch when the "war is really on"
Reply Quote
90 Pandaren Monk
10790
10/06/2012 01:21 AMPosted by Aureus
It's part of an over-all story.

I realize that.

I just don't see how sending the prince of Stormwind into the forests of Pandaria with only a champion of the Horde to accompany him fits into that overarching story at all.

MOP is about the threads behind the war, not just about WAR!!!!. This expansion was made for people, not ogres..


I realize that too. I've just noticed that after about halfway through the Jade Forest the faction tensions simply disappear entirely.
Anduin was aboard the Vanguard, a ship that was blown off course and wrecked by the Horde shortly after the Mists fell. He started wandering through the Jade Forest and came across the stories of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, and is working his way there so that he can claim some of the water and heal thousands. The Alliance players work with SI:7 during the Jade Forest story to find him, and when you do, he uses mind control to avoid getting dragged back to Stormwind. After that, the players decide that helping him is more important than helping Varian.
Reply Quote
90 Undead Death Knight
7950
10/06/2012 01:21 AMPosted by Aureus
I realize that too. I've just noticed that after about halfway through the Jade Forest the faction tensions simply disappear entirely.
That sort of tends to start happening when two of your five standing military personnel die and further combat proves to be a terribad idea.
Reply Quote
10/06/2012 03:42 AMPosted by Frosthawk
I realize that too. I've just noticed that after about halfway through the Jade Forest the faction tensions simply disappear entirely.
That sort of tends to start happening when two of your five standing military personnel die and further combat proves to be a terribad idea.


Yeah, after Jade Forest neither faction really has the forces on Pandaria to do much of anything against each other.

As it stands the bulk of the Alliance/Horde forces on Pandaria are either Night Elves or Tauren, both of which are more concerned about the magic of Pandaria then fighting each other, or Pandaren who will probably refuse to fight each other if ordered to do so.

Once the main Horde/Alliance navies land on Pandaria in 5.1, the conflict is likely to get kicked into high gear.
Reply Quote
90 Gnome Monk
10300
I think Anduin's presence is more about after the war. His working with both factions, his friendship with the Sunwalkers... His "I think the people of the Alliance AND the Horde are basically good" speech to Xuen... Says a lot about the future between the Alliance and the Horde - that they can STILL work together, and be friendly with each other when greater ambitions happen. When Anduin is King of Stormwind, and a less crazy leader (Baine? Vol'Jin?) is warchief of the Horde, they'll unite peacefully, stomp the rest of the old gods, finish off the Burning Legion, and meet the Titans (of course that part of the story can't happen as long as WoW exists, if only because it's necessary for gameplay.)

Questing also kinda reminds us that it's a new land, with new people, it's not "ours" and that there are still bigger fish to fry than the petty little war. Kun-Lai, Townlong and Dread Wastes can be seen as not only trying to protect this new land so that whatever side doesn't conquer it only to have it taken from beneath them, but also defending it so the Pandaren won't kick us out.

Honestly, I think the Sha are being built up as a Star Trek-style social commentary on why war is bad. The neutral factions are going to be there to drive the point home when the war explodes onto Pandaria, when things go from "dark clouds on the horizon" to full on "s---storm," and the players are going to be the ones who eventually work together to clean up the mess they made (and perhaps bring the war back to cold-war levels as it was in Vanilla and TBC.)

I think there's still plenty of war, or at least plenty of set-up. The Alliance and Horde bases being set up in Kun-Lai with help from Pandaren, the Monkeys and Fish-people chosing sides, the establishment of each factions' "capitol" in the Vale... The war is just being set up, it hasn't come to Pandaria in full force yet.
Edited by Auryanna on 10/6/2012 12:32 PM PDT
Reply Quote
90 Human Monk
2365
I realize that.

I just don't see how sending the prince of Stormwind into the forests of Pandaria with only a champion of the Horde to accompany him fits into that overarching story at all.


It will, though it doesn't even really have to.

The truth is, everyone would complain about the war themes until it was a bad joke if Blizzard made every single bit of this expansion's story about war.

I mean, look at Thrall in Cataclysm. We had a few quests with the guy and he was an important character. Now everyone is sick of him when in reality I think we spent about as much time with Harrison Jones during the expansion.
Reply Quote
89 Undead Warlock
5785
10/06/2012 12:22 PMPosted by Draile
I mean, look at Thrall in Cataclysm. We had a few quests with the guy and he was an important character. Now everyone is sick of him when in reality I think we spent about as much time with Harrison Jones during the expansion.


Well I am pretty sure that Malfurion and Jones had about the same amount of screen time as Thrall did this expasion, then again I never did Dragon Soul so perhaps I haven't really felt the brunt of Thrall?



In any case, making an expansion focus on one this is terrible, I think one of the reasons that Cata was unpopular was the fact that it focused almost entirely on the Old Gods. Wrath was split between the Scourge and the Old Gods, BC was Legion/Illidan with void thrown in there, and MoP is doing god with the even divide between A/H conflict and the Sha.
Reply Quote
90 Night Elf Warrior
10525
One thing to remember about wars, is they take some time to wind up. Ferdinad wasn't shot, and suddenly Europe was knee deep in mud and mortars.

We know from conversations throughout the game that the primary Alliance and Horde forces are converging on Pandaria. What we see currently are pretty much only the contents of what... 2 airships?

I think, however, that part of the purpose of this expansion is, in fact, to make people sick and tired of the whole Horde Alliance Schtick. I expect they will be cramming enough of it down our throats that the forums will stop crying for it time and time again because of the absolutely moronic argument "This is WARcraft".
Reply Quote
1 Blood Elf Rogue
0
I realize all the stuff about buildup. I just don't like the way it's handled here, where outside the first few quests in the Jade Forest the entire concept of war between the horde and alliance might as well not even exist, to the point where an alliance VIP can be escorted around the woods by an agent of the horde without the oddness of the situation even being worth mention.
Reply Quote
90 Blood Elf Warlock
10540
10/06/2012 07:10 PMPosted by Aureus
I realize all the stuff about buildup. I just don't like the way it's handled here, where outside the first few quests in the Jade Forest the entire concept of war between the horde and alliance might as well not even exist, to the point where an alliance VIP can be escorted around the woods by an agent of the horde without the oddness of the situation even being worth mention.


Not really odd. The Sunwalkers are there as a pilgrimage, not as agents of the Horde. Anduin is there trying to pull the natives as allies, get the Celestials to help them, and god knows what else.
Reply Quote
85 Blood Elf Warlock
4480
10/06/2012 03:40 AMPosted by Daralii
After that, the players decide that helping him is more important than helping Varian.


Which is bull.

I don't even like the little punk.
Reply Quote

Please report any Code of Conduct violations, including:

Threats of violence. We take these seriously and will alert the proper authorities.

Posts containing personal information about other players. This includes physical addresses, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and inappropriate photos and/or videos.

Harassing or discriminatory language. This will not be tolerated.

Forums Code of Conduct

Report Post # written by

Reason
Explain (256 characters max)
Submit Cancel

Reported!

[Close]